^^^ Perfect example of what is wrong with Bullshido.
-Party line instead of discusion
-Insults instead of counter arguments
-"Assumption" that boxing/MT/BJJ trump all other arts
-Un-willingnes to believe that any TMA/CMA has value.

I am done here.... sorry for the thread derail. I hope I have provided something of value and not just noise.

*sigh*


Party line instead of discusion

Please note one idea I did not discuss.


Insults instead of counter arguments

Hypocrite much?


-"Assumption" that boxing/MT/BJJ trump all other arts


I never made that point. And you failed to understand the point I did make.


Un-willingnes to believe that any TMA/CMA has value.


I never made that point. And you failed to understand the point I did make. In fact, there are several TMAs I think are great.

The truth is, Ig, that you are so defensive that you are incapable of having a reasonable discussion. You read only what you want to read and apply your own meaning to it. You create strawmen to argue against (such as each point in your previous post) and do even that poorly. Have you started posting on the "rag on bullshido" forum yet? You should. You'd fit right in.

You are a perfect example of what is wrong with bullshido. And you have provided nothing of value.

1. Keep personal issues out of this.
Both of you.

In theory, this is correct.

Additionally, "TKD sucks" means something different when coming from a qualified source. "TKD sucks" will mean something COMPLETELY different coming from someone like Omega than when coming from some unqualified "1 year in" newbie in the martial arts, even IF they do one of the "sanctioned" arts.

And THAT is my biggest issue with bullshido. The vast majority of posters and staff members are simply not experienced or qualified. Time-in matters. Yes there ARE members who are black belts in BJJ, accomplished fighters, etc etc. But their input is small compared to the majority.

I personally come here for 2 reasons. 1. entertainment value of random banter and shooting **** and 2. to read what accomplished people in the arts I am interested in have to say. That second one has been happening less and less.

Of the 4 pages i've paid attention to so far, i find this point to be the most important.
I usually stay away from discussions of threads that I have no experience in. Thats just my preference. But i will subscibe to an interesting one and lurk around to gain info. So to have to filter out the crap from the in-experienced - talking like he's/she's an expert in every science applicable - just gets annoying....

speaking of which, wha happened to the ignore button? is that still around? never used it, but about to start

Ok, to address Style bashing, We need a document for each MA explaining the things we find wrong with the majority of schools. Throw in a disclaimer that you MIGHT find 1/1000 schools that trains in a way we would approve of, but statistically you are likely to be better off school in a different art. Write them up in a nice constructive format, clean language, informative points. Then Link them all on the front page with a big notice "Please Read About your Style before Posting". I might do one for TKD as an example and post it over on the Style forums. That way no style bashing need occur, if someone asks about X art just point them to the article and tell them to read that one.

I'd love to be in on the TKD one...

I believe Phrost has been looking for style FAQs for a while now. I still don't think he has one on TKD.

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5. Simpler UI, cleaner layout. Fewer distracting Interwebz bells and whistles.
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I concur!

ESPECIALLY those who demonstrate that they're unable to handle disagreement without taking things personally, are neurotic about getting in the last word, or other such retarded behavior.


Hey Matt W, repeating this seems appropriate about now....



Also, I like the fact that the Trad. arts section has a different color background. It makes it easy to tell what section you're in, even if you followed a link to get there.

Perhapse a color for reviews, one for investigations, and one to clearly identify the humor section. A watermark or sublimated text in the background desighn to label the type of content would be very helpful, especially if one had not come to the thread in question through the front door

rec.m-a sampler:
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.martial-arts/msg/d45a3e8ac5172579?&hl=en&q=faq

sticky plz thx bye

In theory, this is correct.

In practice it is not. When you approach someone in an aggressive way, they get defensive automatically. It's human psychology. The entire method of using "TKD sucks" is counter productive to the site's mission. All you will achieve is aggravation.

Additionally, "TKD sucks" means something different when coming from a qualified source. "TKD sucks" will mean something COMPLETELY different coming from someone like Omega than when coming from some unqualified "1 year in" newbie in the martial arts, even IF they do one of the "sanctioned" arts.

And THAT is my biggest issue with bullshido. The vast majority of posters and staff members are simply not experienced or qualified. Time-in matters. Yes there ARE members who are black belts in BJJ, accomplished fighters, etc etc. But their input is small compared to the majority.

I personally come here for 2 reasons. 1. entertainment value of random banter and shooting **** and 2. to read what accomplished people in the arts I am interested in have to say. That second one has been happening less and less.

That basically sums up the problem with this site. Way too many e-bad asses flaming on subjects on which 1) they have no experience and/or 2) have the testicular fortitude to really test what they do.

Telling somebody that what they do is ineffective because they never spar is one thing.

Telling someone that his arts sucks in the most insulting manner possible just because somebody else has said it (perhaps rightly so) or because it's borg-fun, WITHOUT having any experience on the aforementioned art AND without any experience on anything outside of their little training circle, that's another thing.

If the purpose of this site is to uncover bullshido and wake up as many misguided people as possible, I don't see how the **** the later can be of any help. E-dicks don't help.


Yes, but you can't throw "Your style sucks" as the first thing the people you want to reach see. That instantly puts them into defensive mode. Which is what happens a lot here.

Part of the problem is that the old guard here has explained the same thing over and over to potential converts, so they get tired and just say "X sucks". Assuming that the other party is in on the joke. They aren't.That's the reason a lot of the e-dicks here do that. They get a rise out of getting people in the defensive. Humiliating people is more important than trying to engage them with constructive arguments.

If someone responds to being told that the system they rank in is struturally flawed with "I have a black belt!", then they don't know how to understand basic logical arguments and I probably wouldn't want them posting here regardless of style. Some people will only learn the hard way, and despite the amount of complaining due to people being offended by it, the internet is not "the hard way".

However, the system that they rank is only flawed in your opinion. Instead of someone responding, "Well, so what if you have a BB, TKD sucks." Then maybe a little more clarification is in order.

A better response would be "No one is bashing the art as a whole, we are simply stating that as a general rule TKD doesnt adhere to a policy of "alive" training practices." Then if need be then tell them what is meant by "alive". Then they can decide if what their school is doing is condusive to self defense skill learning. (Provided that SD is what they are seeking from a MA)

Many people feel that a BB in BJJ/Judo is useless. WHy? Because they dont see a need to learn it. This could be for a few reasons. Would you get offended if you had spent years getting your BB in BJJ only to have someone else tell you that is worthless? Of course you would.

1. Their "arts" instructor has no interest in it, and therefore dismisses grappling out of hand.
2. They havent been in a "real world" type of self defense situation, and realized that fights dont go down like they do in the dojo
3. They see grappling arts practitioners as rude, elitist thugs. (not true, but is a stereotype of grapplers, and is as unfair as saying that *insert art here* people cant fight.)

Instead of railing at them about how their art sucks, and is useless, then enlighten them a bit. Explain what type of training practices lead to more productive skills, or better yet, ask them what they expect to get out of their chosen art.

Again, the *insert art here* sucks month doesnt help. It automatically puts someone on the defensive and closes their mind (IMO) to free discussion.

Speaking from XP, most of the bullshit "you suck" came from the grapplers here, but one person (they know who they are since I PM'ed them with a thank you) took the time to DISCUSS things with me, and I now take a grappling art, and I feel that I am better able to defend myself because of it.

On the " x art sux " topic, I think that people in a physically based art need to remember that technique has to be extensive to overcome physical size/ strength.

The fight clip of Sirc vs. Clyde is a great example.

The " post your pic " thread was a great source of enlightenment and amusement for me.

I am not quite Clydes size, but I'm not a whole lot smaller either, and after seeing pictures of some of the BJJ/MT people who would destroy my Krotty, my sides hurt for 2 days from laughing.

I would suggest a little consideration for size and experience might be prudent when telling someone they suck 'cause they do " x " might be in order, rather than just reading their style field and jumping to a conclusion.

This is more a suggestion than a criticism but it seems to me that www.sociocide.com (http://www.sociocide.com) is withering a bit while people are complaining that bullshido is getting more cluttered. There's so much off-topic stuff that goes on in YMAS - which as I understand it is still for MA stuff even if it's not serious.

Perhaps sociocide could be promoted more and more prominently linked to take away a lot of the 'LOL PENIS!!1!' and off-topic stuff from YMAS.

This man right here is the smartest one in the thread.

From the links along the top, Sociocide is simply "Politics". Change that to "General BS" or "off topic" or simply "sociocide"- a good deal of the traffic we get here is less inclined to discuss politics than say whether or not all of Ben Grimm is all rock like.

Also, have it go to wociocide.com/forums not sociocide.com. I know you worked really hard on the front page and all, but people click the link, they see a different setup, not the forums they just left, and some may be inclined to just say "**** this I don't want to read some dork's blog".

On a more technical note, the quick post edit system works fine for me on sociocide with IE7, but here on BS I have to click on "Go Advanced" to complete an edit. Something to look into.

Here's an idea: Get rid of the majority of our own internal vocabulary. It's dorky and cringe inducing.
Hundreds of pages of ninja death squid jokes is neither funny nor interesting. Rather, it is the martial arts equivalent of an N'Stink song.
Ashida Kim, -fu and -jitsu jokes if they ever were funny, now come across as the kind of thing enjoyed by middle aged Dave Barry fans, people who proudly refer to themselves as curmudgeons with a winky smiley.

Exceptions: Flame Whip stays.

Flame whip ist verbotten.

I will tolerate no flame whipping or magic pantsing or other such tom-foolery.

Are we clear?

translation: you're right, the ham fisted attempts by some members to create their own memes has to stop.