Post them if you got them. Keep it in this thread.

What the **** is Budo Ryu Ninjutsu?

and who is this "Anshu"?

I predict this person will be appearing on Bullshido forum very soon I have know idea of this new Anshu, I just found here on the net, I talk to her a few times and now she has me on msn messnger.

I have know idea of this new Anshu, I just found here on the net, I talk to her a few times and now she has me on msn messnger.

You do understand she is a he, post-op.....right.

There's no way anyone is back flipping out of a good judoka's throw like that. Even my bujinkan instructor knew that was a load of BS.

There's no way anyone is back flipping out of a good judoka's throw like that. Even my bujinkan instructor knew that was a load of BS.


I haven't try to Flip out of the Osto Gari (there are easier counters) but I have cartwheeled out of a Judo-ka's Tomoe Nage before, multiple times. The principle is sound, aka using body movement to avoid landing on your head/back. As for that particular move ::shurg:: never tried, the Genbukan standard Taihenjutsu counter is Hineri Kaiten, which works very well in alive settings.

As this thread is leading to Taihenjutsu defenses to Nage Waza I figured I list some of them I've found work on alive conditions. I have at one time or another pulled this out in Judo Randori and a couple in MMA sparring.


Hineri Kaiten defense to Osoto Gare : As you are being swept, keep tight and pulling the opponent over you like a sutemi waza.

Ohten defense to Tomoe Nage: place hand on chest as opponent is throwing you, control body like in a cartwheel motion, land in north south position.

Tobi Komi defense to Tomoe Nage: Instead of landing on back, do a dive roll as you are landing

Zenpo Tenkai Defense to Seoi Nage : Tuck legs and landing on your feet. (I used to have a video of this, but I deleted in last time I reformatted :( )

Zenpo Kaiten Defense to a Inner Wrist lock: err just roll, instead of going face down. (Who know an Aikido-ka would try a wrist lock in randori.)

There's no way anyone is back flipping out of a good judoka's throw like that. Even my bujinkan instructor knew that was a load of BS.


Actually probably because he was a so shitty Ninpou-ka that couldn't do any of them. You have to learn to throw someone first, because your stories of him, I doubt he could do a Seoi Nage, no less Flip out of one.

For some reason it doesn't surprise me very much that beating ones head against a wall for prolonged periods of time is a part of good ninjutsu training.

Hatsumi little group were very rough and tumble during the 60s and 70s. This was one of the reasons Tanemura Shoto left to set up the Gebukan. The Bujinkan was "softing up." Its ironic that the Genbukan is now going into the same direction 20 years later.

Rough and tumble doesn’t mean aliveness. Training with Hayes and the Shadows of Iga in the 80’s was rough and tumble, but there was still no aliveness or sparring. I don’t doubt that Hatsumi and others sparred at some point given the fact that they all have backgrounds in other styles, but where is the evidence that anybody ever sparred with material that is now part of the Bujinkan?

Elborate please. I thought the Taihenjutsu demo for countering throws was top notch.

It was top notch as acrobatics go, but not as workable fighting techniques. Flips for getting out of throws and locks, “sword catching”, blinding powder, and all that other crap are typical ninja silliness.

Actually probably because he was a so shitty Ninpou-ka that couldn't do any of them. You have to learn to throw someone first, because your stories of him, I doubt he could do a Seoi Nage, no less Flip out of one.

I had a few instructors and they could all probably do it as part of a dead pattern. None of them trained alive although maybe that's what you are referring to when you say they were shitty, in which case I wouldn't disagree.

As you are probably aware committed judo throws when done for real end up with the thrower following the person to the ground with the throw and landing on top. I fail to see how these flips, as demonstrated on that video, could be considered a viable takedown defense.

PS: I look forward to the day when functional sports like judo, wrestling and MMA catch up to the ninjers and start teaching backflips out of throws as standard curriculum.

what the hell is hapening at the 2:30 mark?

I can't watch the video right now but I'd be guessing that you are referring to the deadly anti-mount/rape defense of slapping the ears? Which is going to make the attacker roll off his position as well as lose his false teeth.

I can't watch the video right now but I'd be guessing that you are referring to the deadly anti-mount/rape defense of slapping the ears? Which is going to make the attacker roll off his position as well as lose his false teeth.

No, it looks more some weird ass pagan mating ritual. “Ninja silliness” isn’t enough to describe it, you have to watch it.

Other then the tengu mask because ancient japanese custom for "shinobi" , I honestly have no idea what the **** they are doing...


Dancing for the demo? Drilling while dressed up?

Are you talking about the bit where they are in a circle around Hatsumi and they are jumping and squatting? That's a drill I've done a few times. You stand in a circle and the instructor says either left, right, up or down and everyone jumps to the left or right, straight up if he says up or ducks in he says down. They key is to jump together and not **** up by jumping the wrong way and into the person next to you.

PS: the mount escape the woman does is called the "Anti-Grapple Slappy Crapple"