if you read korean, check out this book:

신성대, "무덕", 동문선, 2006.
Shin, Sung-dae, Martial Virtues, Dongmunsun, 2006
ISBN-10 : 8980385676
ISBN-13 : 9788980385676

and the website www.sippalki.com
need translation? i'm happy to e-mail some of it to you.

beopsanim, thanks for the thread. it seems like i have a new hobby.
sugohasseyo!

Hwoarangirl,

Thanks, I'll add the book to my list. The seunim I study with is returning to Korea for a year. I'll be over in the Summer, so perhaps I can pick it up then.

I've seen the sippalki website you've posted several times. How long have you been studying?

Glad you're enjoying Bullshido so far. A warning is in order I suppose. Bullshido is a "no holds barred" forum, in posting style and content. Don't take anything here as offensive, or personal, as most of the time it is all done in jest. Once you get beyond that, there are quality posters here with years of experience who aren't afraid to tell the truth.

The two 18G threads have been merged.

thanks, i appreciate the advise.
the common korean abbreviation for sippalki is 1871 (7 represents the giok and the 1 is the korean i).
i converted to 1871 from itf taekwondo 5 years ago. we ran a hanguk muyewon in busan and starting up one in amsterdam right now.
if you're going to visit korea, it would be worth to get in touch with our monk friend mumun, a 1871 master as well. he's working on his doctorate dissertation on korean buddhist martial arts. He's in Naksansa, in Gangwondo.

Over here in the US, Sibpalgi practitioners shorten it as 18G. It's not phonetically correct, but sounds similar, and has certain kung fu movie associations that appeal to people. Then again, there's only a handful of Sibpalgi practioners of any variety in the US, be it Korean Kung Fu or Muyeshinbo derivative.

Did you begin your studies in the Netherlands or in Busan?

I would definitely be interested in speaking with Mumun. We come from a particular lineage of Seun Bulgyo, so what we teach is quite different from the Chogye Order.

Hi hwoaranggirl! I'm Juan (Hwarang1985 in youtube). I'm glad to see you posting here.

Blues-man! I should have known it was you!!! i just sent you an e-mail.

Beopsanim, I'll try to have Mumun seunim involved here. You guys should talk. And Naksansa is an impressive place to practise martial arts.
I've started practising 1871 everywhere... Holland, Seoul, Busan. Grandmaster Kim still teaches twice per week in Seoul.

Beopsanim, I'll try to have Mumun seunim involved here.

I appreciate it, though I think Bullshido might be a bit overwhelming for him.


And Naksansa is an impressive place to practise martial arts.

I've heard the view of the sea is quite beautiful, but I'd heard it had been destroyed in a forest fire.


I've started practising 1871 everywhere... Holland, Seoul, Busan. Grandmaster Kim still teaches twice per week in Seoul.

What made you switch from Taegwondo to 1871?

Haha, let's see... it's a cool monk!
Naksansa was destroyed and rebuilt. It's breathtakingly beautiful.
As I entered my thirties I searched for something more substantial than tkd. The more I practised tkd, the more ridiculous I felt of myself. I've tried hapkido too for a while but that felt even more ridiculous. These martial sports are just after school activities for kids, in Korea. Sippalki made sense to me instantly. It' has more than enough to offer to keep me busy for the rest of my life. I can imagine myself practising twin swords rather than jumping kicks at the age of 80.

Haha, let's see... it's a cool monk!
Naksansa was destroyed and rebuilt. It's breathtakingly beautiful.
As I entered my thirties I searched for something more substantial than tkd. The more I practised tkd, the more ridiculous I felt of myself. I've tried hapkido too for a while but that felt even more ridiculous. These martial sports are just after school activities for kids, in Korea. Sippalki made sense to me instantly. It' has more than enough to offer to keep me busy for the rest of my life. I can imagine myself practising twin swords rather than jumping kicks at the age of 80.

I do enjoy ssang geom, and we base most of Iron Wheel's stick work off of the Ssang geom techniques from the Muyedobotongji, along with a few other sources.

Beopsanim, can I ask you where Iron Wheel Fist comes from. I can't find much about it on the web. Where did you learn it? Who is your master? Do many people in the US practise it? Anything on youtube?

Beopsanim, can I ask you where Iron Wheel Fist comes from. I can't find much about it on the web.

You won't. It's only practiced by the Cheongsan sangha, and I think I'm the only practitioner with a visible net presence.


Where did you learn it?

Gakhwangsa.


Who is your master?

Pohwa-seunim.


Do many people in the US practise it?

Outside of my students, there's about four or five people.


Anything on youtube?

Not yet. I'd like to get a video series going, but it's on the back burner right now.

You make me very curious...
where is Cheongsan sangha?
Have you learnt it in the US or in Korea?
Is it a reconstructed MA? Is it Korean?
Have you ever practised sippalki?
Are you a kyopo?

BTW, you mentioned similarities between 1871 and kuksulwon earlier... in my humble opinion kuksul is similar to hapkido, not to 1871. Seo In Hyuk was a deciple of Choi Yongsool originally.

You make me very curious...
where is Cheongsan sangha?
Have you learnt it in the US or in Korea?
Is it a reconstructed MA? Is it Korean?
Have you ever practised sippalki?
Are you a kyopo?

BTW, you mentioned similarities between 1871 and kuksulwon earlier... in my humble opinion kuksul is similar to hapkido, not to 1871. Seo In Hyuk was a deciple of Choi Yongsool originally.

KSW is a mixture of HKD and their "family" art which looks to be a derivative of Mantis kung fu, though not quite sure. I am curious about those who study an art called Sipalki. Mostly because this deals in the 18 weapons and, if they are basing it off the Mooyedobotongji, then there is not much there to create an art, considering that manual is nothing more than just basic techniques of the weapons.

I am curious about those who study an art called Sipalki. Mostly because this deals in the 18 weapons
Sippalki is a proper term which means eighteen techniques. These techniques are classified into three categories: thrust, slice, and strike. Particularly the 9 techniques in the slice category reflect the importance of slice skills such as swordmanship. The formation of Sippalki reflects the situation of the era when firearms were substituting cold weapons. In a short range combat swords were becoming increasingly more important.



and, if they are basing it off the Mooyedobotongji, then there is not much there to create an art, considering that manual is nothing more than just basic techniques of the weapons.
that's exactly the academic definition of martial art.

You make me very curious...

Ask Maverick or Dagon about that.


where is Cheongsan sangha?

It is not a place, but a collection of temples and sangha across the US, in South Korea, & Thailand.


Have you learnt it in the US or in Korea?

In the US. Gakhwangsa is our main temple in America.


Is it a reconstructed MA?

Not in the sense that Muye Sibpalgi or Muye Ishipsagi is. Iron Wheel draws from various sources in KMA, including the Muyedobotongji, but the central focus of it is found in patriarchal Seon practice.


Is it Korean?

Isn't everything?:icon_thum


Have you ever practised sippalki?

Yes, though not from your group. My first teacher was a member of the Jeongheong Guksul Gwan. Further, Iron Wheel's proper name is 鐵輪拳法/철륜권법.


Are you a kyopo?

No, though you are not the first to assume so.


BTW, you mentioned similarities between 1871 and kuksulwon earlier... in my humble opinion kuksul is similar to hapkido, not to 1871. Seo In Hyuk was a deciple of Choi Yongsool originally.

I was referring to this Argentinian 1871, not 1871 proper. This so-called Sibpalgi looks very little like your art or mine, but does bear a great resemblance to Guksul.