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What in gods name do you mean by the crossing the feet?
My Kung Fu Brothers Bob Maio(in black) and Mike Brobowski(in white) are walking in a circle and then using what is called a single palm change to not lose momentum as they turn around.
Its a baguazhang method of turning. They are not crossing the feet, and wonder where you are seeing this. They are bringing one foot up close to the other foot and then changing directions. This is taught to change your angle when someone is coming at you and you want to enter in to throw, strike or hit them.
And what is your background? How long have you been studying and have you ever had use it for real?
I will try and get some more vids up this week with a big friend of mine. Ill try not to tuck my shirt in less I upset that little mouthboxer who thinks he has a clue.
be well, train hard
Took a while to get back to you my computer went pear shaped.
By crossing the feet i don't mean a cross step, I mean the whole walking thing, I allways thought that having your feet near each other was a bad thing.
I think part of the problem is I don't understand how you incorporate such training into your combat. The structure your friends have in the circle walking looks to my eyes to not be able to deliver any power or be able to defend that well. Like I said what am I missing?
Background, not a lot of experience some FS KF about 20 odd years ago, kickboxing, boxing (no comps not good enough), more FS KF, RBSD, smidgen of MMA & Judo am currently a Blue in BJJ.
Haven't had a proper fight in years, wouldn't really say I used my 'training' in any of those.
Dale
Just tried to PM you my comp crashed again.
I wont be on the net until at least the weekend, so wont be able to view or reply to any of your posts.
I am interested in your explanations, it may take me a while to get my head around them,small words only!
Cheers
Jez
(If you can read this my comp didn't crash)
It is Fake
10/16/2007 2:29pm,
Took a while to get back to you my computer went pear shaped.
By crossing the feet i don't mean a cross step, I mean the whole walking thing, I allways thought that having your feet near each other was a bad thing.
I think part of the problem is I don't understand how you incorporate such training into your combat. The structure your friends have in the circle walking looks to my eyes to not be able to deliver any power or be able to defend that well. Like I said what am I missing?
Near as in what?
Mor Sao
10/16/2007 3:50pm,
Bagua training likes to have the feet close to together. From what I understand and use I like having my feet close together as if you push me I can recover faster. I do not like long stances where you are bounding around or having too much lag time in the air. i.e. you take a long step and it takes twice as long to get that leg on the ground versus a shorter step.
Now of course this is strange to most people.
Ill try and get some more vids up soon to illustrate why I like it.
Be well, train hard
P.S. be careful of having your legs to far apart as someone then can kick em out or use it to their adavantage....
LowwerWay
10/16/2007 3:59pm,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIkiseBCH_4
Tcell, watch this BJJ/Kosen Judo video. At 00:36 there's a whole lotta feet close together and crossing. Does that make it bad, wrong, or ineffective? I don't know Mr. Dugas from Adam, but making a snap judgement from a position of ignorance is a great way to look stupid. I know its hard for some people to understand, but it there are other ways to effectively use footwork than what is seen in the average McMMA gym.
It is Fake
10/16/2007 4:20pm,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIkiseBCH_4
Tcell, watch this BJJ/Kosen Judo video. At 00:36 there's a whole lotta feet close together and crossing. Does that make it bad, wrong, or ineffective? I don't know Mr. Dugas from Adam, but making a snap judgement from a position of ignorance is a great way to look stupid. I know its hard for some people to understand, but it there are other ways to effectively use footwork than what is seen in the average McMMA gym.
That's what I want him to explain. I'm looking at the footwork and trying to figure out what video he is complaining about.
Mor Sao
10/16/2007 4:34pm,
How long have you been doing it to do those breaks?
These are granit chip aggregate bricks. They are harder than normal concrete. I will get some normal concrete sometime soon and break em to show the difference.
I have been training my hands for over 15 years. I have no calluses or trembling or any problems other than my right hand is slightly larger than my left.
Permalost
10/16/2007 5:44pm,
Short stances and "cross steps" are seen in Dog Brothers fights as well. With weapons you need mobility and the ability to move your front leg out of harms way if attacked.
LowwerWay
10/16/2007 5:48pm,
Short stances and "cross steps" are seen in Dog Brothers fights as well. With weapons you need mobility and the ability to move your front leg out of harms way if attacked.
Yep! And no one seems to complain about thier footwork...
Sabateur
10/16/2007 7:24pm,
...Beginners need to relearn to walk using correct body structure for optimum whole body power. The theory behind many internal martial arts is to go slow in the beginning and learn the correct structure and then when you go fast you will not let the poop fly out the window and lose all structural alignments and not be able to hit someone with optimum force...
I went into Ba Gua with my first class about walking. I was as critical as the average guy and going what the hell. Given it was the only MA thing I could fit in my schedule I stuck with it and to my shock I realized, when it was pointed out, that I was not bending my knees over my toes and that was the cause of a lot of the busted knee problems I had from long distance running, besides the intensity of doing long distance.
So though it looks silly on the outset, believe me it was beneficial. Took me a hella time to modify my walk to have proper or safer form, but it is bloody worth it. And afrerwards it was important when you learn more complex footwork, like Dragon walk or chicken step. The latter I still don't have down.
Dale,
When I watched the first video initially I mistook that the hand movements were meant to go together with the step. Essentially the idea of the punch coming as full body movement, the step and drop punch concluding at the same time. Is that a movement you work into this exercise later, or is the arm movement in that first video just to give students something to do with their hands for the moment?
Mor Sao
10/17/2007 4:21am,
It is actually a concept that we teach students after a few months. This posture is the beginning posture we teach. There are many things going on with this basic linear walking. We are trying to get them to coordinate the hands and legs and everything else moving at the same time as well as teach Cross the Great River principle which in essence it when my weight is on one leg the opposite arm is then used to apply a technique. In other words when my weight is on my right leg, im going to have my left arm up or down and ready to apply something.
IndoChinese
10/17/2007 10:06am,
'right hand/left hip'
good gung fu.
Mor Sao
10/17/2007 6:20pm,
Brothers and Sisters,
I broke some more block today to help illustrate to the masses some of the concepts found in Jiulong Baguazhangm, the baguazhang system I teach.
One of them is called Crossing the Great River. This is where if you want to use a certain hand you have to have the weight on the opposite leg. I use my right hand as that is the hand I have trained. Watch the vids to see where Im shifting as I hit the blocks.
The shifting done here is a static version of the walking exercise videos that certain members asked about in previous threads.
Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XxrhjjOaYcU
Be well, train hard
Mor Sao
10/17/2007 6:38pm,
Vids are working fine at youtube. My account there is DaleDugas67
They should all be up and running
Be well, train hard
BackFistMonkey
10/17/2007 6:49pm,
http://youtube.com/user/Daledugas67
that cinderblock video is not on your youtube account .
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