If the human body can be conditon to take impact better. Not threw nerve damage or the ability to move with the impact / boxings rolling with the punches. But the ability absorb impact. I would like real can be proven and duplicated resluts. The stuff that holds up in science. But so far all that is out there is legends and hearsay.

Oh, well in that case, check with some boxers on how they train to take gut shots, I think it's pretty much the same thing as iron shirt, only more modern and more recently proven.

I think this is the problem you mention proven but No one not even boxers have proven it. In fact quite a few boxing gyms will not even waste time doing it because it is highly debated to have any benifit. If you state it is Proven by them show me where they proved it.

Well, I don't like the nerve damage crap either, and I dont belive anyone can roll with the punches against every fighter, since the torso is a heavy device with strong inertia, and the arms are the opposite, thus the arms are able to move faster than the body. In fact, xingyi is an example of this, as all their hits are designed to hit fast enough to nail internal organs before the power can be dissipated into the opponent's body mass, ie before the opponent can dodge it or roll with it, lessening the impact. Thats why xingyi is so jarring. But you want to be able to take blows straight on without much damage? Well I learned a bit of that, again, through my experience. One, don't take it to your bones, it hurts you as much as it hurts them, two, dont take it to places without muscle, there is no cushion at all, and three, don't take it where the muscle is weak, because where you are safe with rocky abs, your softer solar plexus is not so lucky. Thats why I think its contracted muscle that does the shielding. All the other explanations only tell you how not to feel pain or how to dodge, but what if you are too slow, or you are damaged regardless of whether you felt it or not?

So I was on 'tinternet doing the sufing thing & I came across these vids on youtube.

1st
Rolling the Pearl Walking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_lqactaZTg)

I don't get it?
How is it meant to be applied? It doesn't look like it's any kind of developmental tool for fighting, it doesn't look like it's a good exercise or stretch. To my eyes it just looks like a big bald guy having a bit of a slow walk. How does this relate to MA?

2nd
2 Dragons at Play: Jiulong Baguazhang Push Hands (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ftjyNjEuk5s&mode=related&search=Jiulong%20Baguazhang%20Pakuachang)

Again wtf, why?
I see two old guys walking in circles, crossing their feet doing some kind folk dancing?
I just don't get it.
What are they demonstrating, developing? How does this apply to an MA in a combat sense? How does it apply in any physical skill set sense?

What's the point?

Wrong forum dude. You would have been better off putting this in the CMA style forums, your more likely to get ass raped here. Contact a mod and get it moved before it's too late.

The first video reminded me of something a KF guy told some beginner students: "You don't have to practice walking, you don't have to think before you walk around someone. You just do it. Same as kicking someone in the balls. Just frickin do it." Obviously some fat dork felt compelled to tuck in his shirt, get all dressed up and post a video of him walking. Same as the old guys. **** them to hell and I hope they die soon.

There is nothing to get, no point. They are the assholes that say kung fu is not about fighting. And you can't really kick the old guys asses, then you'd feel bad. Maybe you could throw a brick at the fat guy though.

actually, that's Dale Dugas, and i hear he goes about 260, and also practices iron palm.

and i dont know Dale personally, but the impression i get that is that he is not exactly a 'fat dork'.

and those are technique motions, from John Painter's baguazhang system.

the second excercise is pakua bridging. sort of like a chi sau.

I don't know him personally either, but I do know that he looks like a fat dork. I'm also 260, I cut my own hair, I post on a damn martial arts forum for chrisakes. But at least I don't tuck my shirt in and post videos of myself walking.

I'm sorry. It's the tucked in shirt that set me off. It's a violation of fat guy rules. Trust me.

I... am also a fat dork.

Maybe you could explain the videos then.

Greetings Brothers and Sisters!!

Actually I can explain the videos as I'm the guy who made them and posted them on Youtube.

Yep.

I am Dale Dugas, and I am a Baguazhang instrutor who teaches at:

Oriental Medical Associates
19 Belmont Street
Cambridge, MA
02138

What I think is funny that original poster picked out these two exercises and not the one of me wearing a 60 pound weight vest and picking up two 50 pound kettlebells and walking around posts or of me breaking Granite Chip aggregate blocks. For those of you who are of the mind "no video, it did not happen" here is a link to that video and my others: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBaBv0rbUk4

Feel free to view any and all of my vids. Anyway back to the videos that were mentioned.

The first video is of Dragon Rolling the Pearl, an exercise that is taught in the beginning stages of learning the Jiulong system of Baguazhang that I teach. Beginners need to relearn to walk using correct body structure for optimum whole body power. The theory behind many internal martial arts is to go slow in the beginning and learn the correct structure and then when you go fast you will not let the poop fly out the window and lose all structural alignments and not be able to hit someone with optimum force.

It also helps to learn to rid the body of excess tension as walking back and forth using a certain mindset is helpful as a moving meditation.

The second exercise is from the 2 Dragons at Play exercises that help to develop timing, distancing as well as inculcating into the students the great reflexive action of making sure to get your hands up when someone approaches you.

They also teach you to listen to your opponent once you have made contact, and let you know what they are going to do as you are in contact with them. You feel them start to move and you can follow or intiate some other action.

These are basic drills to teach fundamentals. I put them up for my students to have a reference of what they are learning in class.

Tcells and Switchblades comments are rather ignorant. You should not judge anything by what you see from a video. You should judge it by crossing hands with that person and seeing if they can apply it. And this "fat" old man is ALWAYS willing to rep what he teaches.

So for all of you who want to come visit, please do. Always up to meet people.

Be well, train hard

Dale Dugas

First off apologies for wrong forum.

Dale -
The reason I didn't post the vids of you walking with kettelbells or breaking was because even I understood those.
As for being ignorant, yes that is correct that is why I posted because I don't get the reasons for practising in that way. To my eyes the whole crossing of the feet thing is a no-no, especially as a fundamental.
Are there any vids online of the techniques being applied in sparring or somesuch?
It would make it easier for me to understand if I can see how it's applied, because to be honest even with your explanation I'm still finding it hard to see how it relates to fighting.

I don't know him personally either, but I do know that he looks like a fat dork. I'm also 260, I cut my own hair, I post on a damn martial arts forum for chrisakes. But at least I don't tuck my shirt in and post videos of myself walking.

I'm sorry. It's the tucked in shirt that set me off. It's a violation of fat guy rules. Trust me.

I... am also a fat dork.

Maybe you could explain the videos then.

Don't ever tuck your shirt in, in front of this guy. What is the weight limit for shirt tuckedinness?

Don't ever tuck your shirt in, in front of this guy. What is the weight limit for shirt tuckedinness?

225. :wrestlerf

If you tuck your shirt into your underwear, it's 190.



PS:Don't tuck your shirt into your underwear.

Cool, I'm safe then. I'll escape switchblade's fury.

First off apologies for wrong forum.

Dale -
The reason I didn't post the vids of you walking with kettelbells or breaking was because even I understood those.
As for being ignorant, yes that is correct that is why I posted because I don't get the reasons for practising in that way. To my eyes the whole crossing of the feet thing is a no-no, especially as a fundamental.
Are there any vids online of the techniques being applied in sparring or somesuch?
It would make it easier for me to understand if I can see how it's applied, because to be honest even with your explanation I'm still finding it hard to see how it relates to fighting.

What in gods name do you mean by the crossing the feet?

My Kung Fu Brothers Bob Maio(in black) and Mike Brobowski(in white) are walking in a circle and then using what is called a single palm change to not lose momentum as they turn around.

Its a baguazhang method of turning. They are not crossing the feet, and wonder where you are seeing this. They are bringing one foot up close to the other foot and then changing directions. This is taught to change your angle when someone is coming at you and you want to enter in to throw, strike or hit them.

And what is your background? How long have you been studying and have you ever had use it for real?

I will try and get some more vids up this week with a big friend of mine. Ill try not to tuck my shirt in less I upset that little mouthboxer who thinks he has a clue.

be well, train hard

What in gods name do you mean by the crossing the feet?

My Kung Fu Brothers Bob Maio(in black) and Mike Brobowski(in white) are walking in a circle and then using what is called a single palm change to not lose momentum as they turn around.

Its a baguazhang method of turning. They are not crossing the feet, and wonder where you are seeing this. They are bringing one foot up close to the other foot and then changing directions. This is taught to change your angle when someone is coming at you and you want to enter in to throw, strike or hit them.

And what is your background? How long have you been studying and have you ever had use it for real?

I will try and get some more vids up this week with a big friend of mine. Ill try not to tuck my shirt in less I upset that little mouthboxer who thinks he has a clue.

be well, train hard

Hey Dale, you and I going to get together this year? There's a throwdown this Sat. we can have lunch after.