Is it a bath type thing or a rub down deal during the exercise? Throughout the day?

Are there "internal" benefits?

I don't think the combat ki guys ever claimed to train golden bell, I've never seen liniments or heard them talk about herbs.

I'm coming at this from the preconceived notion that it's just something some dude made up after watching kung fu movies (probably 5 deadly venoms).

Golden bell develops the golden principle, hence the name. Iron skills are inferior and are mostly conditioning and hardening. The herbs are water based containing shechuangtzu, gancao, rock salt, and digupi usually. Its used at least 3 times a week to prevent fire poisoning. It also prevents callouses.

Most cosmetics nowadays are using various extracts of goji berrys for reducing dark spots. The goal is actually to spread the energy along the surface of the body deliberarly and the use of jows is a rediculous notion, as it would be counterproductive to the results. Lots of talk but no explaination makes various methods questionable.

Golden Bell is just another name that is much fancier than Iron Vest/Iron Body/Copper Jacket....

How about some videos of yourself demonstrating your abilities?

To say that Golden Bell is something superior is pure rubbish.

There are internal versions of Iron Body that do not hit the body at all.

I trained in and teach internal methods to develop this skill and can demonstrate it.

Golden bell develops the golden principle, hence the name. Iron skills are inferior and are mostly conditioning and hardening. The herbs are water based containing shechuangtzu, gancao, rock salt, and digupi usually. Its used at least 3 times a week to prevent fire poisoning. It also prevents callouses.

Dale did he just try to separate Golden bell from Iron Skill training? Is that what this means? He said Golden bell is superior to Iron Skill training?

What year did they become separate disciplines and not a fancy name?




Most cosmetics nowadays are using various extracts of goji berrys for reducing dark spots. The goal is actually to spread the energy along the surface of the body deliberarly and the use of jows is a rediculous notion, as it would be counterproductive to the results. Lots of talk but no explaination makes various methods questionable.

You sell a specific product don't you?

This person whoever they are have no idea what they are talking about.

That they think a fancier name means something is better is the tell tale sign.

That and the mention that herbs are useless.

Ignorance can get you killed.

good luck with that.

lol at "the use of jows is ridiculous." I'm really interested to see this guy demonstrate some Golden Bell for the masses, so we can all join up to drink the Kool Aid.

they are just another of the unnamed masses who populate forums and never step up and post who they really are, and what they actually can or cannot do as is in this case.

If they could they would produce a video. or have people visit to see if they can or cannot back up what they make claims about.

Oh well, its not really an issue. There are more cowards and mouthboxers on here and most of the other martial arts forums than actual real people who train most of the time anyway. It has become the norm.

again no biggie. keep training and ignore the trolls

Though I trained in an art that includes a fair amount of qigong material, and though I did qigong, off and on, for a number of years, I'm no longer a "believer" in its reality.

I have never done Iron Palm, and was told that I hit every bit as hard as someone who has. I've hit people, allegedly capable of Golden Bell skills, and done damage despite said skills. I've been hit by people who've done Iron Palm and, never having done any of the protective training, been unfazed.

Dale, I respect you, but can you explain in non-mystical terms what you think is happening through this training? In my own experience I have yet to see anything super-natural about the end results of people who've undergone years of training...

Matt,

it is pretty simple when you look at it.

You train the body to relax through a series of qi gong exercises. which you do before, during and after tapping the bag with your hands.

this qi gong training can be done by anyone of any age, it is this relaxation qi gong that helps develop the body to rid itself of residual tension. Residual tension is the enemy of total coordinated movement of the body.

If you can learn to relax, I mean really relax and get this level of residual tension to low levels, you will be able to incorporate more of the total body into your blows.

the hitting of the bag is only to train the tissues and bones of the hands to take impact. Some people do not need this as they are big strong people as it is.

this relaxation is also found in Iron Body training. You need to learn to move the body as a whole, so when confronted with power thrown at you, you can then accept it without tension, and let it pass through you rather than encounter tensed muscles which will then be damaged by said power.

the key or secret if you will is learning to relax and incorporate the entire body into strikes or learn to accept power through your physical structure.

that is what is going on here.

The secret is that it is not easy to do, and there is way too much tension in most people and they have no idea how to rid themselves of it.

Dale, is your iron body and herbalism experience restricted to CMAs or have you had occasion to look to other cultures? The reason I ask is that I've read little bits about silat systems (cimande,nampon,ulinapas off the top of my head, but there are probably others) that claim to use "body hardening" exercises and/or a liniment called balur. Googling any of the aforementioned terms,though, hasn't gotten me anywhere. Mostly, I wind up getting directed to random silat sites with vague information on pencak silat as a whole. So, is balur just Indonesian dit da jow or are they completely different in nature and use?

Doug,

I have no idea about silat systems as Im a TCMA guy through and through.

No idea what Balur is about or what is in it.

Thanks anyway, Dale. I suspected that was going to be the case.