search func n00b??? And don't forget teh Omega as well.

normally nobody ever trains to hit that way. People throw it in as a variation or a kind of "dirt fighting" tactic but that's not the same as putting in the hours training specifically to smash into someone with your shoulder or side.


Those should strikes look a lot like stuff that you see all the time in football and rugby.

Bell2Bell,

That is actually the metaphore I usually use when trying to explain what "kao"/"shoulder strike" means in a CMA context. I tend to refer to hockey but yeah. I doubt anyone who's been slammed into next tuesday like that in a rugby match would be thinking of them as just "set ups".

p.s. I put "shoulder strikes" in quotes because the word refers to the energy of the thing and not the anatomy. You can slam with your back, hips, entire side of body etc. The main thing is just the idea of slamming your whole body weight into someone independant of any strike with the limbs.

lol@Neildo. and thanks.

MAn, asia's shoulder barge was sweeeeet.

Shame the other guy was so much smaller than him...

Bell2Bell,

That is actually the metaphore I usually use when trying to explain what "kao"/"shoulder strike" means in a CMA context. I tend to refer to hockey but yeah. I doubt anyone who's been slammed into next tuesday like that in a rugby match would be thinking of them as just "set ups".

p.s. I put "shoulder strikes" in quotes because the word refers to the energy of the thing and not the anatomy. You can slam with your back, hips, entire side of body etc. The main thing is just the idea of slamming your whole body weight into someone independant of any strike with the limbs.


Boxers check each other to establish positioning all the time, but I can see that the context and intent are very different. This sort of thing definately works better when you have a weight advantage though

Football players train to do this by hitting a sled:

http://www.athleticsandbeyond.com/images/E_Football_sled.jpg

http://www.a2zsportsdirect.com/Qstore/uploads/ftbl014_l.jpg


How do Baji practitioners practice this and build up power?

My football fu is weak... don't footballers slam into the sled and keep pushing? I somehow see that as different from a strike which is over quickly. (Although the strike might be used to set up a subsequent move.)

My football fu is weak... don't footballers slam into the sled and keep pushing? I somehow see that as different from a strike which is over quickly. (Although the strike might be used to set up a subsequent move.)

Yeah, but that's because linemen in football are directly in front of someone else that's hitting them the same way. They do train to drive the sled, but they also work very hard at being explosive off the line. Two linemen will more or less cancel each other out because they're ready for each other. With the right positioning and timing the same blow will knock the guy on his ass. It's not a fight-stopper and it probably won't hurt anyone unless you get a good running start first but you can def. get someone down that way. I'm trying to think of other ways it could be used, but that's what immediately comes to mind.

Football players train to do this by hitting a sled:






How do Baji practitioners practice this and build up power?

By hitting a tree.

Sometimes with 2 person drills but I like the tree better.

Boxers check each other to establish positioning all the time, but I can see that the context and intent are very different. This sort of thing definately works better when you have a weight advantage though


IMO, The context and intent are not different in Western Boxing. It is just the ruleset and how much a boxer can get away with under the eye of the ref and judges.

Hitting a tree? I wouldn't think you'd be able to hit a tree 100% without hurting yourself.






IMO, The context and intent are not different in Western Boxing. It is just the ruleset and how much a boxer can get away with under the eye of the ref and judges.


The intent and context are different because they depend on what you can get away with under the eye of the ref. :p

The intent and context are different because they depend on what you can get away with under the eye of the ref. :p

We disagree.

If you want to find differences - to establish a duality where it doesn't seem like they really exist - and consider something so unique and "special" not found somewhere else, I doubt whatever you might find in that category is ultimately particularly useful.

The funny thing about "truths" is that you will ultimately find the same truth in other places. It's one of the characteristics of truth you can use to help verify whether it's true or just smoke and mirrors.

We disagree.

If you want to find differences - to establish a duality where it doesn't seem like they really exist - and consider something so unique and "special" not found somewhere else, I doubt whatever you might find in that category is ultimately particularly useful.

The funny thing about "truths" is that you will ultimately find the same truth in other places. It's one of the characteristics of truth you can use to help verify whether it's true or just smoke and mirrors.
Deep breaths TK. Deep breaths.

Let the $150 go it is over.

I think what B2B is saying is that the intent is differant because we know that we can't use it as a blatant strike. You can hit with it but it needs to be in super tight to make it very subtle.

Also sometimes it's better to just go for the push to make the space. If I knock someone down with a shoulder strike in boxing/kickboxing even if I "get away with it" then what's going to happen is they're going to just stand the guy back up and we're back were we started. If you just make a little space with a solid nudge rather then an actual strike then you can take the guys head off with an uppercut and quite possibly end the fight via knockout.

I think what B2B is saying is that the intent is differant because we know that we can't use it as a blatant strike. You can hit with it but it needs to be in super tight to make it very subtle.

Also sometimes it's better to just go for the push to make the space. If I knock someone down with a shoulder strike in boxing/kickboxing even if I "get away with it" then what's going to happen is they're going to just stand the guy back up and we're back were we started. If you just make a little space with a solid nudge rather then an actual strike then you can take the guys head off with an uppercut and quite possibly end the fight via knockout.


Exactly, shoving your opponent over doesn't accomplish much in a boxing ring which is why you won't see a fighter get down into a 3 point stance and try to drive block their opponent :p

Exactly, shoving your opponent over doesn't accomplish much in a boxing ring which is why you won't see a fighter get down into a 3 point stance and try to drive block their opponent :p


Absolutely. It's just that when you see essentially the same thing in rugby, American football, *and* boxing (and perhaps other places both related and odd), you can be reasonably certain there is something to it. This is regardless of whether a particular methodology can be effective in drawing out such attributes or not.