Uh ... did you get the impression ANY of my posts are not also in jest? Even when I'm being serious, I'm not usually all that serious about it. :smile:

Not at all! We coo....

Hi, I do Olympic TKD.

What is this "punch" thing which you speak of?


Nothing you need to worry about, move about your business.

this is not a simple problem, and i think we should try to realize that western boxing terms may or may not accurately describe what is going on CMA hand striking.

i use both sets of terminology in my classes, i tend to use the chinese in the traditional classes, and the western in the san shou class (BUT i also relate the western terms to the often wide variety of chinese techniques they can represent.) add in to that, that i don't even know the chinese names of some of our techniques and use the english translated versions sometimes, and it does get confusing.

for instance we have a lead hand punch called a chop chuy (or tsop tsoy.) it's not a boxer's jab, but sometimes i have my guys use it in place of a jab in combos when doing pad work. the way this would work would be that i'd still be calling off combos with jabs in them, but would tell them before the round to try to work in some chop chuys in, in place of some or all of the jabs.

the same goes for cross, hook, uppercut and shovel hook, i have plenty of techniques that relate to these boxing strikes and can be used in typical boxing combos.

This is a CMA forum, so you are going to have CMA terminology for concepts that CMA people know about. If you can't deal with that, too fucking bad. Read more, learn some CMA and most importantly shut the **** up.

Also, CMA forum leaders, PM me.

lol.

We'll abandon the Chinese jargon when the homeland security forum switches to ALL English. No Japanese and no Brazillion and no weird 'rasslin jargon either. WTF is a "whizzer" anyways. From now on you have to describe in plain English what you mean. No more grapevines no more north-south or any other obfuscutative terms.

This is a CMA forum, so you are going to have CMA terminology for concepts that CMA people know about. If you can't deal with that, too fucking bad. Read more, learn some CMA and most importantly shut the **** up.

Also, CMA forum leaders, PM me.


I actually only mean when (such as the "Chunderdome" thread) things are being discussed with someone who obviously doesnt know what a technique is.

Why would Omar facetiously ask about the lack of a pi quan in "WMA" when he obviously knows that the people he was directing his post towards people who almost obviously don't know what a pi quan is?

That being said he did write a short little explanation of various terms that I did find helpful. It's easy when we all love one another :)

PS: if someone was trying to discuss BJJ with me and kept throwing terms at me that they know I don't know I'd say the same thing.

And see I have no idea what a shovel hook is... JARGON NONSENSE
there's the thing. if you look up shovel hook in strikeistan, you will very quickly find some excellent explanations. ****, it's explained well enough that even i have a rough idea what's going on, and i'm a karateka with learning disabilities (yes, these are separate descriptors, jackasses).

that's what i see as being a useful activity of this forum - establishing understandable text, image, and video descriptions of the insane number of cma techniques. isn't phrost supposed to be working on some sort of wiki?

then you can have discussions of what these things all mean in a cma context here, and discussions of what they mean for everybody else in the "does it work/can i make it work" forum of strikeistan. you really can't avoid this part if you want the tma fora to stay open...

lol.

We'll abandon the Chinese jargon when the homeland security forum switches to ALL English. No Japanese and no Brazillion and no weird 'rasslin jargon either. WTF is a "whizzer" anyways. From now on you have to describe in plain English what you mean. No more grapevines no more north-south or any other obfuscutative terms.

I never suggested that anyone not use Chinese terminology. How many posts do I have to make to clarify my position? My original post wasn't really meant to bad mouth anyone here, just saying someone like me who has almost no experience in kung fu wouldn't get much out of discussions that use a lot of kung fu specific terminology without clarification. I generally don't get anything out of the discussions in DHS either, as I know **** all about what they're saying.

Well yeah. It's not just DONT SPEAK CHINESE AROUND ME YOU ****, I just want people to clarify what the hell they're talking about.

The point is....if you are interested in the CMA, and there is a phrase you dont understand, then look it up.

If I said " I would do an omoplata in that situation." Then would I need to post a video or write a description of an omoplata, before I continued my discussion? No.

If someone REALLY wanted to know, then they can do 1 of 2 things.

1. Take the time to look it up on their own, and learn a little something in the process.
2. Ask the poster of the term.

(#1 would be the prefered way)

You cant go to China, and complain that they are speaking Chinese.

If you want to participate in the discussion, dont take the easy way out. Look it up.

The point is....if you are interested in the CMA, and there is a phrase you dont understand, then look it up.

If I said " I would do an omoplata in that situation." Then would I need to post a video or write a description of an omoplata, before I continued my discussion? No.

If someone REALLY wanted to know, then they can do 1 of 2 things.

1. Take the time to look it up on their own, and learn a little something in the process.
2. Ask the poster of the term.

(#1 would be the prefered way)

You cant go to China, and complain that they are speaking Chinese.

If you want to participate in the discussion, dont take the easy way out. Look it up.

For the umteenth time, I'm not complaining about people using Chinese terminology. I'm just saying having an esoteric kung fu discussion is not of particular use to the strikeistan forum, since no one outside of kung fu is going to have any idea what you're talking about. When I make posts about kickboxing, I am posting with the understanding that pretty much everyone has some clue about the terms I'm using and if not, I'll clarify the more specialized terms for those who are unfamiliar with them. If kung fu people want to talk about kung fu in here, it doesn't really concern me that much. If kung fu people are going to talk about kung fu in strikeistan, I expect clarification on esoteric terminology. I think that's just common curtosy.

PS:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaMTNNjDqt8

:)
I checked out their related videos and was not pleased:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aElK5g4jdE0

What the hell was that?

For the umteenth time, I'm not complaining about people using Chinese terminology. I'm just saying having an esoteric kung fu discussion is not of particular use to the strikeistan forum, since no one outside of kung fu is going to have any idea what you're talking about. When I make posts about kickboxing, I am posting with the understanding that pretty much everyone has some clue about the terms I'm using and if not, I'll clarify the more specialized terms for those who are unfamiliar with them. If kung fu people want to talk about kung fu in here, it doesn't really concern me that much. If kung fu people are going to talk about kung fu in strikeistan, I expect clarification on esoteric terminology. I think that's just common curtosy.


Thats why there is now a CMA forum.

When I post in the KMA forum I am also posting with the understanding that pretty much EVERYONE that has chosen to come in on a KMA forum has some general idea what I am talking about.

I shouldnt have to explain every detail of every technique. If someone is that curious, then they can look it up.

If they were in strikeistan, then yes, they should clarify.

However, this ISNT strikeistan.

Its the CMA sub forum.

So if they have an in depth discussion on a CMA and its techniques, then those who wish to join in should take the time to be informed.

Would you be suprised if you walked into a bar, and they were serving alcohol? I doubt it.
Dontbe suprised when you come into a CMA forum and find CMA terms.

I would actually love to see more technical striking discussion from more varied styles in strikestan.

In fact my biggest worry about the sub forums was that people would start posting all their technical striking discusssion in the endangered species enclosures.

This forum is for discussion right?


Looking up peng is not going to help you.
Looking up "Breaking the Structure" is not going to help you.
Looking up Fa jing is not going to help you.
Looking up Chi/ki/qi is not going to help you.

There is just to much esotric meaning associated with CMA. I'm sorry it isn't the same as looking up a jab.

I have to agree with kid here, CMA needs explanations for noobs.

Thats why there is now a CMA forum.

When I post in the KMA forum I am also posting with the understanding that pretty much EVERYONE that has chosen to come in on a KMA forum has some general idea what I am talking about.

I shouldnt have to explain every detail of every technique. If someone is that curious, then they can look it up.

If they were in strikeistan, then yes, they should clarify.

However, this ISNT strikeistan.

Its the CMA sub forum.

So if they have an in depth discussion on a CMA and its techniques, then those who wish to join in should take the time to be informed.

Would you be suprised if you walked into a bar, and they were serving alcohol? I doubt it.
Dontbe suprised when you come into a CMA forum and find CMA terms.


I am dumbfounded as to why you're still arguing with me, when I've once again attempted to clarify that these points are not in conflict with anything I've said.