Hello again, Stuart!

I went on your site trying to find the price of your book and in the process read your bio by clicking the "The instructor" link.



In May 1999 I unfortunately had to leave the organisation that graded up to 2nd degree under in order to open the Academy in Rayners Lane (I am now a 3rd degree - 2000 - and soon to grade to forth degree hopefully).

Without going into to much detail I left because of a 'conflict of interests' on my part and a difference of opinion about the location of my school. This was also the same time I set up the Academy (well a little after actually). Most black belts have witnessed the petty politics that plague taekwon-do (in all associations and all styles of martial arts), I tried to avoid them, but they sort of got me in the end. I decided rather than being a big fish in a small pond, I'd rather be a small fish in the ocean, and that was that.

Personally, reasons aside, it was a difficult decision to make as I had been in that association for many years & have a lot of respect for senior members & made a lot of friends along the way. I had a good competitive career, which I enjoyed immensely, even to the point of a possible selection to compete in Argentina at the ITF World Championships (although I'll never know now). But I had to do what was right & that path led me to leave & establish my own Academy.

...but then on the "Black Belts" link it says-




Mr Stuart Anslow, 4th degree



Sabum



Rayners Lane Taekwon-do Academies Chief Instructor is Stuart Anslow. Having practiced the martial arts for some 15 years, Stuart holds a third degree black belt in Taekwon-do, a Korean form of unarmed combat taught to the Korean army and has a direct lineage to the founder, General Hong, Hi Choi.





I am assuming that was ITF you said you graded to 2nd in, is that correct? I am also assuming there's a typo/failed correction on the page above, since it says 4th degree in the heading, yet 3rd in the paragrah.




I guess I'm confused as to where the 3rd, and then now appearently 4th degree certs came from, since you left the ITF or whatever org it was...

Then I see pretty bad grappling and someone giving runaround and stupid answers when their credentials to teach grappling are called into question. Regardless of his position on kata (I don't care about kata) his comments about grappling are flawed. If I gave similar answers regarding striking, but taught striking I would expect to be called on it too.

Read the book or shut up.

You haven't "seen" anything.

A couple pictures on a website?

That means ****.

It could easily be one person learning the single leg versus one person learning the sprawl. Or do you think TKDers automatically suck no matter how experienced they are at these things compared to BJJers just learning how to shoot for a take down?

Damn Der, stop talking sense.

Sorry.

It's a character flaw, I admit it.

Again, it is in the nature of those of us who frequent this site to be skeptics, to question. If you've read my posts, you know I'm the first to criticise.

But seriously...

READ THE FUCKING BOOK!

People keep going on and on about Stuart's qualifications to teach certain things and they don't even have a god damn clue what he's teaching.

People go on and on about what they think Stuart's curriculum involves, yet none of you have trained with him or know what he teaches.

Have any of you read the book?

There's no real ground fighting in there.

None.

Do you need a teaching certificate in BJJ to instruct people how to regain their footing against people who likely don't have BJJ training?

Let me put it in reverse.

If one of you came to me and said, "Hey, Der, teach me how to throw a good spinning hook kick?"

and I taught, and you then went on to teach some of your students the Deadly DerAuslander Spinning Hook Kick...

Should some WTF GrandMasta Wannabe come along and say you have no right teaching that methodology since you aren't a 4th Dan in Kukki Taekwondo?

If Anslow was teaching a comprehensive ground based grappling program, he'd be Bullshido.

If he'd claimed that the ITF Tul could be used in place of learning groundfighting techniques, he'd be Bullshido.

He's not either of those.

Read the gorram book before you go spitting off judgements.

****, I don't even agree with half of Stuart's views on Kata, etc, but at least my opinion is an educated one.

I know who Der trains with

You do?!?

Sorry.
Read the gorram book before you go spitting off judgements.


Emphasis mine.
You just don't hear that word often enough.

Emphasis mine.
You just don't hear that word often enough.

What emphasis?

What emphasis?

The one that didn't show up because this board software is different than every other board I frequent, italicizing everything in the 'quote' block.

Anyway, you don't hear 'gorram' often enough.

Sorry.

There's no real ground fighting in there.

None.

Somebody said that a while back, too.



If one of you came to me and said, "Hey, Der, teach me how to throw a good spinning hook kick?"

and I taught, and you then went on to teach some of your students the Deadly DerAuslander Spinning Hook Kick...


I've been looking for a new technique to have sex with any girl I meet on the first date...

Can I order this on DVD?

..sounds like it will be less easy to spot coming than my caveman club...



Read the gorram book before you go spitting off judgements.

I want to, but I can't spare 39.95 (Amazon) right now...might have to pick that up later. Despite all the negativity you see on BS, as a previous student of TKD (WTF, early 90's, white yelow stripe..lol),; I still have some interest in it, mainly for sport/fitness. Maybe I'm gay, but sometimes I still like to watch TKD matches...I actually have a friend who competes and is working towards his bb in it. It's still fun to go to the comps he has.

New sayings- "TKD is fun! Tee-hee!" or "TKD...it's the fun one!"

:gay: :lol:

The one that didn't show up because this board software is different than every other board I frequent, italicizing everything in the 'quote' block.

Anyway, you don't hear 'gorram' often enough.

Agreed.

I've been looking for a new technique to have sex with any girl I meet on the first date...

Can I order this on DVD?

..sounds like it will be less easy to spot coming than my caveman club...

Sorry.

That's a 5th dan kata.

You don't have the right certification.

emboesso...

I said


I believe that it is important that some form of ground fighting is added to TKD. Not full blown BJJ/Judo/JJ or what have you. However, it doesnt need to be "discovered" in the patterns.

you said..


He never said it was

Well stuart said...


Thank you for the good intentions bit (I do - honest guv'nor), but just for the record TKD has always had throws in it (regardless or how good or bad they were)

or even


Its actually a look into them through a historical context more than reverse engineer which is slightly different!

from the website article about him.....

Many locking techniques can be found within the patterns.

Deeper inspection of the patterns also reveal many throwing techniques as you will discover.

I am simply commenting on the fact that he clearly states, that locks, throws have been hidden in the patterns.

Maybe you should take your own advice..


a bit more reading and lot less typing would be in order.

I am not trying to bash Stuart. I might even buy the book to read it, since I agree with him on his thoughts that TKD needs to evolve.

However, I am trying to determine, what grappling experience he has (you must admit he has been quite evasive about it, I will get more into that if you wish, right now I must leave for work) that allowed him to "find" the locks and throws in the patterns.

Please dont jump me. Others here, have been just as vocal about his beliefs. The information I am commenting on is DIRECTLY from a website about him. He hasnt denied that those were his words.

http://www.iainabernethy.com/articles/Stuart_Anslow_1.asp

Again, I am only adressing the views that an article about him , says he holds. Read, then get back to me.

*edit* BTW, I didnt say Chon Ji was a taegyuk form. I simply said I had to learn the meanings of the patterns. Again, please take your own advice...read more type less


I had to learn the meanings of each form. Kind of cool, but gay in a way.

Chon-ji....Literally means heaven and earth....etc etc etc

I use the term form/pattern interchangeably. Your misunderstanding may come from your need to find a reason to trash someone who disagrees with you.

(if you're still around and haven't been scared away by the 'goon squad')
Im still here!


Listen, do me a quick favor and repay the courtesy I did you in giving you my resume.
You mean the bit where you attended a Gen Choi seminar (we all know what they were like unfortunatly) and trained with GM Park!! Ive trained at the same club since I started, my instructors instructors were Master Choy (BUTF) & Master D'Silva. Both, but especially MAster Choy was a main man in the UKTA (GM Rhees org) - GM Rhee as you may know was Gen Chois top student. As for seminars, Ive done a fair few, both TKD & not. Anyway, thats not a resume, your name, how long training, what grades, what are you teaching now etc. etc. is a resume!



You have published a book that looks like reverse engineering and crappling all at once.
You mean you are guessing it is (as you havnt actually read it)


I might be wrong but it seems that unlike you I've actually met and trained with some of the people who's book's you've read, ie. Choi.
Yup, you are.. how do you know who I have and havnt trained with anyway?. Although I have lots of MA books and havnt trained with all the authors (many are dead now anyway) - should I bin my Bruce Lee ones then?


Now, keep in mind this isn't an end all and be all of experience but it would go a long ways in helping me understand your back ground.
My back ground is in TKD!!!

Stuart

Hello again, Stuart!
Hello,


I am assuming that was ITF you said you graded to 2nd in, is that correct? I am also assuming there's a typo/failed correction on the page above, since it says 4th degree in the heading, yet 3rd in the paragrah.
Yes (typo), it must have been missed when the page was updated as at the top it states '4th degree'. I graded to 3rd degree in March 2000 and achieved 4th in Oct 2005.




I guess I'm confused as to where the 3rd, and then now appearently 4th degree certs came from, since you left the ITF or whatever org it was...
I left the BUTF in April 1999 (just before I was due to take my third). I took my 3rd in March 2000 under Master Mahai an 8th Dan under the AMA (then one of their main TKD masters/examiners) - hes now retired I believe. I received my 4th degree whilst in the US Oct in 2005.

Thanks for pointing out the web site, I`ll get it corrected.

cheers,

Stuart

emboesso...

I said

you said..

Well stuart said...

LOL - when it quotes it sound like a couple of little kids!!


Anyway:
To cover your first few 'he say she say' bits - in one part you refer to how this is meant to prove that Im claiming TKD pattern contains ground fighting (which as pointed out already - Im not) and back that up with statements that say things like "there are throws and locks in there) - since when do throws and locks constitute ground fighting - they dont AFAIA or is anything that isnt a punch or a kick ground fighting to you?



However, I am trying to determine, what grappling experience he has (right now I must leave for work) that allowed him to "find" the locks and throws in the patterns.
This has been done to death already and many facts have already been pointed out by myself and others with regards to both myself and techniques within TKD that are (for better or worse ) in fact part of the system already. And the rest is called "research"!



I am simply commenting on the fact that he clearly states, that locks, throws have been hidden in the patterns.
That implies they were hidden deliberatly.. which they wernt. though the book will explain it all more to you.



He hasnt denied that those were his words.
Thats the 2nd time you pointed that article out.. which bits dont you agree with exactly and why would I deny them anyway as they are true? NOTE: No where does it say TKD contains groundfighting! There are a few people here who have done or do TKD and like the poster who had never been taught basic throws and so presumed from that no club did them, others showed this not to be the case!


Stuart

Read the book or shut up.

You haven't "seen" anything.

A couple pictures on a website?

That means ****.

It could easily be one person learning the single leg versus one person learning the sprawl. Or do you think TKDers automatically suck no matter how experienced they are at these things compared to BJJers just learning how to shoot for a take down?

That's the fucking point. The shitty grappling deserved an explanation, sure it is outside of the context of solely the book (which as mentioned I don't give a **** about), it's called thread drift and is normal around here as you well know.

Instead of anything substantive there was initially a lot of armwaving about grappling qualifications. If I, with bjj in my style field was teaching striking and making the same sorts of answers all you striking afficionados would be asking the same questions as I was. And it is important to note that StuartA does teach grappling to some degree making all of the questioning highly relevant on a website like this.

So let me get this straight here. You have trained with a student of GM Rhee, read Gen Choi's book and wrote a book?

Sorry to have wasted your time, go about your business as you were.

TKD