Anna, being a sword enthusiast myself and a student of Japanese swords arts, tell me more about your sword interests and study, I presume it’s not Asian given you mention "knightly costumes".


She does ARMA, if that helps.

Anna, being a sword enthusiast myself and a student of Japanese swords arts, tell me more about your sword interests and study, I presume it’s not Asian given you mention "knightly costumes".


I study (well, at least did, i've been lazing out for the past year) historical european martial arts with The ARMA (http://thearma.org). Specifically, German longsword with some ammount of roundel dagger stuff.

Then I have to truly prove my geekdom and move this debate over to; does plate 207 of Medieval Combat detail an open guard game with a knee slide guard pass as a counter?

The plate is title "knave wrestling." The knave hold was something of a cross between keza-gatami and knee on belly, could be the finishing position for a knee ride. ...

Askari


I cannot say you are wrong because he reference's page 86 which show's 2 pole arm guy's ground fighting and the text say's"...The combatant on top has his opponent in the 'knave hold', wiht his right arm around his enemy's throat and his right knee pressing into his enemy's belly."

I think it is safe to say the "Knave" part refer's to using the knee to help hold an opponent down, the gaurd is not realy prevelant in western wrestling so i do not think it is a "gaurd" pass in the BJJ, MMA sense, I do think it is a move to help advance your position or secure you position.

one thing to keep in mind is that this is wrestling were the gaurd does not exist and they are trying to kill or maim each other not pin each other, I think it is more akin to sport wrestling with much more violence, somewhat akin to an over the top MMA.

If you want a good fight story read the book "The Last Duel" it is the story of the last judicial duel in France in 1386 and the actual duel is like an over the top MMA match, it also put's Med. Martial art's into a diffrent context, it is a true story no fiction invovled.


Jeff

Moved to JMA.

I've seen the book.

What the hell is up with all those weird outfits Hatsumi is wearing? One picture he looks like he is wearing a bearskin. Another one he is dressed like a yamabushi with weird robes.

I've seen the book.

What the hell is up with all those weird outfits Hatsumi is wearing? One picture he looks like he is wearing a bearskin. Another one he is dressed like a yamabushi with weird robes.

D-Rama mostly.

Hastumi's an actor among other things and likes to toss on costumes and play historical dress up, especially for the cameras.

Sometimes it is useful. A few of the elements in the Takagi Yoshin Ryu make more sense when you know a bit about formal palace attire and the kind of physical restrictions such costuming causes. Other times its just for the "nifty" factor.

Mind you what seems nifty to a guy in his 70s is probably pretty different to what seems nifty to a guy in his 20s even without the cultural difference issues.

D-Rama mostly.

Hastumi's an actor among other things and likes to toss on costumes and play historical dress up, especially for the cameras.

Sometimes it is useful. A few of the elements in the Takagi Yoshin Ryu make more sense when you know a bit about formal palace attire and the kind of physical restrictions such costuming causes. Other times its just for the "nifty" factor.

Mind you what seems nifty to a guy in his 70s is probably pretty different to what seems nifty to a guy in his 20s even without the cultural difference issues.

Well I will give him one thing and that is he can carry those costumes off a lot better than Van Donk and Steven K Hayes can.

Well I will give him one thing and that is he can carry those costumes off a lot better than Van Donk and Steven K Hayes can.

They seem to pick the worst costumes they can find. I put it down to neither one of them being Japanese and also not really knowing what they're are wearing and what it was for.

Well I will give him one thing and that is he can carry those costumes off a lot better than Van Donk and Steven K Hayes can.

They seem to pick the worst costumes they can find. I put it down to neither one of them being Japanese and also not really knowing what they're are wearing and what it was for.

They seem to pick the worst costumes they can find. I put it down to neither one of them being Japanese and also not really knowing what they're are wearing and what it was for.

Yes exactly.
Out of the two of them, I think SKH is worse. He now appears wearing some gold robes on his website! He also seemed to have a penchant for the furry bear skin jacket.

i'm new to this website..only joined becuase the video clips are fun to watch..

i happen to be a student of hatsumi's and i have lived in japan.

only 3 of the Ryu ha we study in the bujinkan are "Ninja" arts.
the other 6 are all samurai arts.

and for any sceptics or bujinkan haters the bujinkan is for real and can be proven, in fact, if you only want to talk about legal documentation and facts, Hatsumi is the true grandmaster. his credentials speak for themselves, and he is also listed in the Nihon daijiten. and recognized by the japanese government and a member of the japanese culture/history society...i think that's what it is... anyways, he is for real, and an authority of Samurai as well.
we are usually refered to as studying ninjutsu because of Togakure Ryu being our main style/ most popular.

if you want to crack on phonies...try Genbukan or anyone who claims to know Koga Ryu.

on the topic with hatsumi's outfits.....

he wears them to portray / get across the feeling of what people were wearing back then...
that's the simple way to put it i think....
and he also shows how to use the clothing / the advantage and disadvantages.

i think Van Donk and SKH wear them to atract customers....

of course SKH is no longer Bujinkan....

i happen to be a student of hatsumi's and i have lived in japan.

A Student of Hatsumi Sensei? For how long? Where abouts in Japan did you live?




and for any sceptics or bujinkan haters the bujinkan is for real and can be proven, in fact, if you only want to talk about legal documentation and facts, Hatsumi is the true grandmaster. his credentials speak for themselves

You seen these I take it? What credetnials are you talking about? Just out of interest.


if you want to crack on phonies...try Genbukan or anyone who claims to know Koga Ryu.

Right and the Genbukan is a fraud organisation why?

i am in the military, i lived on yokota AB in Fussa city. about 1 hour away from hombu.
i also travel back to japan 2-3 times per year for atleast 2 weeks to 1 month for training,

i have been training in martial arts for over 20 years. and have been studying bujinkan for about 15 yrs. and i was in the genbukan for a couple years...

i just dont get how genbukan members can train under tanemura...in a way he is a fraud, he has lied about alot of things...
check out the Panther video productions..they did a veideo series on him, and watch the history and tradition tape, where tanemura talks about how he learned martial arts....he flat out lied about his history.

hatsumi vs. tanemura... alright, hatsumi sensei not only received the grandmasterships in 9 Ryu we study from Takamatsu, but he also inherited the scrolls from Takamatsu that he was given by his teachers.

tanemura claims that he was taught by Akimoto fumio...who did not teach anyone! he died!
read your history...(takamatsu gave sokeship of Gikan ryu to Akimoto fumio. but he died, so he gave it to hatsumi)

tanemura claims that some of his teachers were top students of Takamatsu, the fact is and truth, none of his teachers he 'claims' to have studied under...actually met takamatsu.

there were a few martial artists back then who were in corraspondance by letters with takamatsu ONLY. Hatsumi sensei's uncle who hatsumi was currently training under was one of them, after takamatsu sent him a few techniques to try out by mail, hatsumi went to go meet takamatsu in person.

Takamatsu Never gave any soke ships or titles to anyone else, he never had any other students, Tanemura learned first by studying in the Bujinkan!!!! all the old bujinkan books and videos prove this.

the fact is, tanemura could NOT understand what hatsumi was teaching, so he took off.

you know...Catching a Horse by Its Tail....to go for a ride,

Hatsumi has a dragon's tail...

and dont mock a book that you can't read...hatsumi's teachings truly come alive and is shown right here in this forum, with people mocking a book they dont understand.
hatsumi writes in code...you have to "read between the lines" in order to get the real meaning behind what you read.

you cant learn Karate by studying Judo, you can learn tae kwon do by studying wrestling...

and mocking an art just because you dont understand it ( or you think you do) is foolish.

on the subject of hatsumi's credentials... i dont keep track of all of them so i can send out copies to every one. look him up online at a legitamte website not some forum and you will find them, and yes i have seen hatsumi's house, and in training when he receives awards and such, he shows them. infact if you look in some old training videos he will show the scrolls as well.
you can also look in the Japan Daijiten...its the book that publishes all the "actuall" old titles of martial arts...with lineage, of course it's in japanese....

i am not gonna waste my time listing all of his accomplishments. and no one can disprove hatsumi. no one has video footage of themselves training with takamatsu, no one has a soke ship issued to them by takamatsu except hatsumi, and hatsumi was given ..by takamatsu his scrolls he received. he inherited these arts.

You said you were a personal Student of Hatsumi Sensei ? Would you care to tell us a bit about your experiences?

Also do you still go to Japan? I.e. are you still activly training?