he's still a dick

"He's a penis!" - Matt Serra

The sheer number of people who think Royce would win under the early UFC rules against hughes astounds me.

At least that's a better number than the number of people who think the UFC is another mutation of the WWE or TNA Impact :tongue6:

There is one more factor... age. GSP is 25. Hughes is 33. Hughes being 33 didn't have such an easy time taking on B.J. Penn who is 28. And GSP who is younger to begin with, is in a far better physical (and perhaps even mental) shape.



Hughes had a hard time with Penn b/c Penn has better technique standing and on the ground. Hughes may be in better shape than both of them.

I give the standup edge to Penn over GSP. Even though he landed some good kicks, Penn is still better with his hands than GSP. So if BJ wasn't able to KO Hughes, why would GSP? BJ beat Hughes the first time b/c his ground game relies mostly on pure technique, which is a good matchup for Hughes' pure strength approach. GSP falls in the middle somewhere but leans a little toward the strongarm approach, which will fail against Hughes.

Hughes by second or third round Kimura.

Jeez, seems like I'm one of the fer who actually likes Hughes. I didn't interpret his comments on TUF to be racist and I thought his exchanges with GSP were just a bit of gamesmanship. After all, GSP did step into the ring and disrespect him after the Penn fight. What's good for the goose and all that. Hughes has far more experience than GSP and he's had many more "big" fights than GSP. I think Hughes will win, but GSP is a tough opponent.

GSP's 'disrespectful' comments were made after the comments on TUF though. Also, GSP apologized anyway, which I've never seen Hughes do.

Penn couldn't KO Hughes in the two rounds before his rib got seperated, that doesn't mean he couldn't had it went 5 rounds (and he had the cardio to go 5 rounds.) While GSP may not have the insane cardio that Hughes does, he does have considerably more than Penn. Also, IS Penn better standing? He is definately better on the ground than GSP, and his hands are probably better than GSP's, but GSP has better kicks IMO and a better shoot. So in totality of stand-up, it's a toss up.

I know all of my reasoning is heavily biased as I really want GSP to win and Hughes to lose. It's gonna be an exciting fight. GSP by TKO in 4th round.

I am not a huge Hughes fan either...but he is a physical mutant. His chin is good, his cardio is superlative, and his strength is ridiculous for that weight. That alone would make him tough to beat, but on top of that he is a fantastic wrestler with real submission skills.

The key to beating Hughes is going to be pounding him standing and then forcing a mistake. But if BJ couldn't do it...i don't see GSP making it happen.

Hughes by GNP stoppage round 2.
I felt I needed to quote this because I couldn't have possibly put it more eloquently.

No matter who is cooler or who is a racist penis, it doesn't change the actual facts of the fight. I've said this before on this board, but outside of his striking which served only to delay a first round stoppage in their first bout (and got exposed by BJ), there is not a single thing GSP does better than Matt (and that's not even taking into account how their actual fight styles match up in Hughes' favor or how you're pitting a contender with 12 wins up against a champ who has 30).

Now I'm not saying Georges doesn't have a chance of hurting Hughes, but from all we've seen of we should know it's only a slim one.

GSP has better takedowns the Hughes.

Will it matter?

Don't know

Hughes is just a mutant. I see a couple of kicks in the first round by GSP, knocking Hughes a bit. Some stuffed takedowns by GSP. Then 2nd half of the 2nd round Hughes gets the shot and works some GnP. 3rd round Kimura after giving a beating.

there is not a single thing GSP does better than Matt (and that's not even taking into account how their actual fight styles match up in Hughes' favor or how you're pitting a contender with 12 wins up against a champ who has 30).

Now I'm not saying Georges doesn't have a chance of hurting Hughes, but from all we've seen of we should know it's only a slim one.

While we are both just presenting conjecture, GSP does have better takedowns than Hughes (evidence in the Penn fights). And outside of striking? Striking is a huge part of the game. Matt Hughes is un-KOable now? Take down defense? I don't know, GSP is probably faster on his feet than Hughes in general and therefore it should be hard for Hughes to get a takedown. Hughes is stronger and has a lower center of gravity than GSP so it should be hard for him to get a TD too.

What I really want? Something ridiculous - a sidekick to the head knockout.

I didn't interpret his comments on TUF to be racist and I thought his exchanges with GSP were just a bit of gamesmanship.
There is no other proper way to interpert it.
You are incorrect.

Jeez, seems like I'm one of the fer who actually likes Hughes. I didn't interpret his comments on TUF to be racist .Please illuminate us in what other way(s) his "thick lips" remarks towards a black person are to be interpreted. This I gotta see.

While we are both just presenting conjecture, GSP does have better takedowns than Hughes (evidence in the Penn fights). And outside of striking? Striking is a huge part of the game. Matt Hughes is un-KOable now? Take down defense? I don't know, GSP is probably faster on his feet than Hughes in general and therefore it should be hard for Hughes to get a takedown. Hughes is stronger and has a lower center of gravity than GSP so it should be hard for him to get a TD too.

What I really want? Something ridiculous - a sidekick to the head knockout.

I really don't believe he has better takedowns and I don't think Penn provides a suitable base to compare that off of. It would be like me trying to argue that Matt has better striking than St. Pierre because of how they each faired in their respective matches against BJ. GSP worked BJ's legs before going for the takedown and Penn was obviously much less cautious about the takedown in that fight than he was against Hughes, but in the end you had both fighters having trouble and eventually taking BJ down.

Yeah striking is huge. It can be the only thing that matters in the fight, that is assuming the fight stays on the feet. Count the seconds the average Matt Hughes fight stays on the feet. And it should be evident Hughes can be KO'd by the fact that he has, but if facing a better striker spelled doom for Hughes then I don't think he'd be champ right now.

Not saying it's impossible for St. Pierre to hurt Matt or even finish him off, but I think if you look at the history and not who you'd like to win then nearly everything points to Matt dominating in this one.

Yea but when Hughes took down Penn (finally) he almost got submitted - talking about before the rib break. GSP wasn't in this trouble and got it much sooner. Also, I think its a pretty popular consensus that Hughes, Penn, and GSP are lightyears ahead of anyone else in the UFC WW division. Looking at the average Hughes fight isn't really going to give a good picture. That's why I keep comparing the two Penn fights. If we looked at both Trigg fights, it wouldn't really show much.

Also, with regards to how they faired in striking vs Penn, I don't see how you could say Hughes did better than GSP. GSP got eyegouged (unintentionally) and still put on a good showing. I admit I need to rewatch the Hughes Penn fight, but all I remember is Hughes eating some punches and not landing anything remotely devastating.

Not that any of this really matters, as we'll have the real answer Saturday.

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