question: Ok, in the street if there is a big guy, and a small guy, the difference being mainly in muscle/weight, and the small guy has about 8 months experience doing boxing, whilst the big guy has no experience in fighting styles, other than in actual streetfights, even though he has never been formally taught. Who would the odds favour? The stronger one, or the one with more technique?

Your question is FUCKING retarded.

You need to be more specific.

But, as a general answer, trying to strike someone larger and stronger than you is not a good idea.

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Oh, alright, I've got 10 minutes to kill ...

1. How big / how small are these people? How much "weight" is "muscle"?

2. 8 months' experience means what? Training every day with a top coach or going to the gym and shadowboxing once a week?

3. What are "actual streetfights"?

4. What other factors are involved?

1. big: about 80-85kg 5'10" small: about 60kg 5'9"

2. training with a coach once a week, training at the gym 2-3 times a week

3. like starting with people at parties, causing fights, being a general troublemaker

4. assuming the situation is a one-on-one, where the big guy doesnt have any friends to back him up, and is threatening the smaller one

Gun Fu and if that doesn't work, Track Fu.

Simps

i have sparred with one of my friends who is 95kg. In sparring I hit him and avoid his hits a lot more than he hits me, but of course one of his punches would be a lot more powerful than mine so it wont take as many. the main question is though, does size really matter if the person with the size doesnt train in martial arts.

Winner:
"Big" "Street fighting" "guy"

Generally the stronger guy, but the boxer will have the skill advantage, he would be a more effcient puncher (he could punch better for his size, using all/a lot of his size, where's th ebigger guy wouldn't.) The sheer size of the bigger guy however, his punches and the amount of damage he could absorb would usually overwhelm a much smaller oppponent. You say "street fights": a decent-good streetfighter is one who can hit hard and grapple well (brawl well) and knows when to start fighting.

SO if the guy had got used to brawling plus his size advantage he'd win!

However you only have to look at an incident like Lee murray vs teh bigger Tito Ortiz in the streets, where tito decided not to grapple but through down, and got KOed (well he may have done, it's still uncertain) to see what I mean when I say boxers' use their punches more effectively/effeciently.

"Wrestling is the Martial Art of America";
"If you don't know how to wrestle you don't know how to fight, that's the prerequisite to fighting" David Tank Abbott (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/displayfighter.cfm?fighterid=110)


Edited by - Blade Windu on July 23 2003 07:28:53

i have sparred with one of my friends who is 95kg. In sparring I hit him and avoid his hits a lot more than he hits me, but of course one of his punches would be a lot more powerful than mine so it wont take as many. the main question is though, does size really matter if the person with the size doesnt train in martial arts.




Yes it does.

Yeah, you're right Osiris, that's the order it should in ... my bad.

Simps

"80-85kg 5'10" SWEET!!!!!!! by this standard I am big (6'1" and 87 kilos). Never thought i was big before. But yeah, big people like me are dangerous. muahahahaha you will die. do you live in a place where everyone is small? Where I live and fight I'm pretty much on the big end of average. There are lots of huge motherfuckers in texas. So if I move somewhere else will I be a monster? Oh yeah and I should be 90 kilos by christmas. HULK SMASH.


Seriously though dude, have fun dying if you think 8 months of boxing is gonna save your ass.

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In short: to flame.

60 kilos isn't small, it's tiny. 80-90 is around average.

its australia, ppl are smaller here for sum reason. 80-85 is big by my standards for my age group (16-18), but not the biggest.

Stold: Kostya Tzuyu is like around 65kg isnt he? He isn't that tiny in terms of muscle

6'4" 105 kilos. Does that make me huge or what ? :)

Simps

lol not like i havent seen big people before. im referring mainly to my age group, not this forum. most people i know dont train in MMA or even train their martial arts more than twice a week. its like going into a gym and having all the bodybuilders say how huge they are compared to the people i normally associate with. I think the average height in australia is 5'9" but id imagine the weight is a lot higher due to obesity

Um, Yes.

I'm 5'10, 73Kgs

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Now imagine your pain is a white ball of healing light, that's right, your pain, the pain itself is a white ball of healing light....... I don't think so!