Dr. Fagbot Q. MacGillicuddy, PhD
2/20/2007 2:10pm,
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MacWombat
2/20/2007 2:34pm,
OMG PHOTOSHOP THERE'S NO SHADOWWOWOWOWOW!
DevonHartigan
2/20/2007 2:54pm,
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/396788581_efd4276f29_o.jpg
You know, using the same image in 6 different threads within 5 min, might be called overkill by some people. But I'm sure a certain Shuma has already neg rep'ed this.
You know, using the same image in 6 different threads within 5 min, might be called overkill by some people. But I'm sure a certain Shuma has already neg rep'ed this.
Tonuzaba
2/20/2007 3:30pm,
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/137/396788581_efd4276f29_o.jpg What about:
7394
7394
DevonHartigan
2/20/2007 3:39pm,
What about:
7394
Wtf!? A YELLOW walking man, and a PURPLE lightsignal??? Which strange imaginary fairy-realm is this?
Edit: Ahhh I see what you are doing now.
7394
Wtf!? A YELLOW walking man, and a PURPLE lightsignal??? Which strange imaginary fairy-realm is this?
Edit: Ahhh I see what you are doing now.
Mark2001
2/20/2007 4:06pm,
if you like that art but dont like the teacher then find another teacher, or find another art.
But i think its a good art
But i think its a good art
SpringHeeledJack
2/20/2007 4:10pm,
and a chunner to boot!! You are truly a renaissance man.
knuckle dragger
2/20/2007 4:14pm,
That it was depicted in the movie should be enough for you to doubt the veracity of the story about this match.
The idea that someone would have to fight for the right to teach non-asians MA is just mildly bizarre. There were a wide number of chinese people teaching kung-fu to non-asians already at that time. BL did not break any new ground.
Like many MA instructors, I am sure that BL received challanges at his school, he was fairly famous and people probably wanted to find out how good he was.
And on the other part of this thread. BL only received partial __ing __un training and this was part of what forced him to supliment with cross-training in other styles. He was completely correct. __ing __un as a stand alone style is incomplete and does hold to many fixed positions. But it's not as bad as someone who has only trained some of the knock off versions might think.
I think that if an angel appeared and told you that Wing Chun was not realistic you would not believe it. Oh well, I suspect your identity is tied to the style and it would hurt you to admit that it is bullshido.
Maybe someday you will get in a real fight and try some Wing Chun and find our for yourself.
The idea that someone would have to fight for the right to teach non-asians MA is just mildly bizarre. There were a wide number of chinese people teaching kung-fu to non-asians already at that time. BL did not break any new ground.
Like many MA instructors, I am sure that BL received challanges at his school, he was fairly famous and people probably wanted to find out how good he was.
And on the other part of this thread. BL only received partial __ing __un training and this was part of what forced him to supliment with cross-training in other styles. He was completely correct. __ing __un as a stand alone style is incomplete and does hold to many fixed positions. But it's not as bad as someone who has only trained some of the knock off versions might think.
I think that if an angel appeared and told you that Wing Chun was not realistic you would not believe it. Oh well, I suspect your identity is tied to the style and it would hurt you to admit that it is bullshido.
Maybe someday you will get in a real fight and try some Wing Chun and find our for yourself.
Mark2001
2/20/2007 4:15pm,
thats not my art but some of my friends like it.
Sir Grossi
2/28/2007 8:03am,
<putting book down back of trousers>
Like anything in life, there is ALWAYS someone better, faster, stronger,
more intelligent etc etc.
All we can do is suppliment and improve our position to increase our
chances of survival.
With regards to Wing Chun (or any other style of 'self defence') it gives
you the basic tools with which to start your learning.
The more you train the better you become, but NEVER trick yourself into
thinking you are the best !
Wing Chun as far as I understand it, was developed for the purposes
of Self Defence and aimed primarily at travelling Nuns.
First Rule of self defence;
Run!
If you can't run then you need to be as effective as possible
with least amount of effort when it comes to defending youself.
And this is, where I believe Wing Chun is coming from.
All the traditional mumbo jumbo is the 'ART' that goes along with
the application of training methods to get you into a more tuned state of being.
Until you get put into a position where you need to react for real. You will
NEVER be able know how effective your 'style/art' really is.
It is almost impossible to recreate a realistic street fighting scenario
in the gym/classroom.
I personally would not want to see how effective my eye gouging technique really is!
To be really effective it has to be instant and unrelenting. Therefore unpracticeable!
But you ARE going to use it if you have to, in order to defend yourself.
With regards to the 'McDojo' scenario, one of life's 2 main motivators is money!
(the other being sex).
Not very often in this life are you going to something for nothing. Some schools
are more unscrupulous than others. But they are all there to to cover
their expenses if not to make a profit.
My tip to anyone would be never to pay for anything too far in advance.
In summary, anyone who says/thinks that WING CHUN can provide them with
everything they might need, is wrong!
What it can give you, are the basics. It can help you develop a sense of
control, patience and willingness to share strength hope and experience.
(That sounds Gay!:cry: )
You would not be reading or posting here if you had not first learned
the alphabet.
You learn to read and write in School. You learn to swear on the Street!
If you do get into a fight you ARE going to get hurt!
Like anything in life, there is ALWAYS someone better, faster, stronger,
more intelligent etc etc.
All we can do is suppliment and improve our position to increase our
chances of survival.
With regards to Wing Chun (or any other style of 'self defence') it gives
you the basic tools with which to start your learning.
The more you train the better you become, but NEVER trick yourself into
thinking you are the best !
Wing Chun as far as I understand it, was developed for the purposes
of Self Defence and aimed primarily at travelling Nuns.
First Rule of self defence;
Run!
If you can't run then you need to be as effective as possible
with least amount of effort when it comes to defending youself.
And this is, where I believe Wing Chun is coming from.
All the traditional mumbo jumbo is the 'ART' that goes along with
the application of training methods to get you into a more tuned state of being.
Until you get put into a position where you need to react for real. You will
NEVER be able know how effective your 'style/art' really is.
It is almost impossible to recreate a realistic street fighting scenario
in the gym/classroom.
I personally would not want to see how effective my eye gouging technique really is!
To be really effective it has to be instant and unrelenting. Therefore unpracticeable!
But you ARE going to use it if you have to, in order to defend yourself.
With regards to the 'McDojo' scenario, one of life's 2 main motivators is money!
(the other being sex).
Not very often in this life are you going to something for nothing. Some schools
are more unscrupulous than others. But they are all there to to cover
their expenses if not to make a profit.
My tip to anyone would be never to pay for anything too far in advance.
In summary, anyone who says/thinks that WING CHUN can provide them with
everything they might need, is wrong!
What it can give you, are the basics. It can help you develop a sense of
control, patience and willingness to share strength hope and experience.
(That sounds Gay!:cry: )
You would not be reading or posting here if you had not first learned
the alphabet.
You learn to read and write in School. You learn to swear on the Street!
If you do get into a fight you ARE going to get hurt!
Locu5
2/28/2007 8:55am,
Wait, so to be effective, I have to train impractically?
Goju - Joe
2/28/2007 9:28am,
<putting book down back of trousers>
Like anything in life, there is ALWAYS someone better, faster, stronger,
more intelligent etc etc.
All we can do is suppliment and improve our position to increase our
chances of survival.
With regards to Wing Chun (or any other style of 'self defence') it gives
you the basic tools with which to start your learning.
The more you train the better you become, but NEVER trick yourself into
thinking you are the best !
Wing Chun as far as I understand it, was developed for the purposes
of Self Defence and aimed primarily at travelling Nuns.
First Rule of self defence;
Run!
If you can't run then you need to be as effective as possible
with least amount of effort when it comes to defending youself.
And this is, where I believe Wing Chun is coming from.
All the traditional mumbo jumbo is the 'ART' that goes along with
the application of training methods to get you into a more tuned state of being.
Until you get put into a position where you need to react for real. You will
NEVER be able know how effective your 'style/art' really is.
It is almost impossible to recreate a realistic street fighting scenario
in the gym/classroom.
I personally would not want to see how effective my eye gouging technique really is!
To be really effective it has to be instant and unrelenting. Therefore unpracticeable!
But you ARE going to use it if you have to, in order to defend yourself.
With regards to the 'McDojo' scenario, one of life's 2 main motivators is money!
(the other being sex).
Not very often in this life are you going to something for nothing. Some schools
are more unscrupulous than others. But they are all there to to cover
their expenses if not to make a profit.
My tip to anyone would be never to pay for anything too far in advance.
In summary, anyone who says/thinks that WING CHUN can provide them with
everything they might need, is wrong!
What it can give you, are the basics. It can help you develop a sense of
control, patience and willingness to share strength hope and experience.
(That sounds Gay!:cry: )
You would not be reading or posting here if you had not first learned
the alphabet.
You learn to read and write in School. You learn to swear on the Street!
If you do get into a fight you ARE going to get hurt!
Sweet Jebus!!!
DTT video proves beyond any doubt that _ing_un can be taught for practical application and can be used for hard contact sparring and competition with out killing the other person.
Deosn't mean that WC is great, doesn't mean it's goin to take the MMA world by storm. But it proves that the main reason so many WC people suck is because of lame excuses and justification of not training their art properly, with aliveness, resistence and sparring
Your hippified - for the street, learn to fight so I don't have to fight stuff is what make WV/VT/Wt or whatever you call it crap. It's just more self justification for sub par training.
Watch the video, and see people who can use this stuff in a sporting scenario.
Chances are they can use it on the street 100X better than you because of that training.
Like anything in life, there is ALWAYS someone better, faster, stronger,
more intelligent etc etc.
All we can do is suppliment and improve our position to increase our
chances of survival.
With regards to Wing Chun (or any other style of 'self defence') it gives
you the basic tools with which to start your learning.
The more you train the better you become, but NEVER trick yourself into
thinking you are the best !
Wing Chun as far as I understand it, was developed for the purposes
of Self Defence and aimed primarily at travelling Nuns.
First Rule of self defence;
Run!
If you can't run then you need to be as effective as possible
with least amount of effort when it comes to defending youself.
And this is, where I believe Wing Chun is coming from.
All the traditional mumbo jumbo is the 'ART' that goes along with
the application of training methods to get you into a more tuned state of being.
Until you get put into a position where you need to react for real. You will
NEVER be able know how effective your 'style/art' really is.
It is almost impossible to recreate a realistic street fighting scenario
in the gym/classroom.
I personally would not want to see how effective my eye gouging technique really is!
To be really effective it has to be instant and unrelenting. Therefore unpracticeable!
But you ARE going to use it if you have to, in order to defend yourself.
With regards to the 'McDojo' scenario, one of life's 2 main motivators is money!
(the other being sex).
Not very often in this life are you going to something for nothing. Some schools
are more unscrupulous than others. But they are all there to to cover
their expenses if not to make a profit.
My tip to anyone would be never to pay for anything too far in advance.
In summary, anyone who says/thinks that WING CHUN can provide them with
everything they might need, is wrong!
What it can give you, are the basics. It can help you develop a sense of
control, patience and willingness to share strength hope and experience.
(That sounds Gay!:cry: )
You would not be reading or posting here if you had not first learned
the alphabet.
You learn to read and write in School. You learn to swear on the Street!
If you do get into a fight you ARE going to get hurt!
Sweet Jebus!!!
DTT video proves beyond any doubt that _ing_un can be taught for practical application and can be used for hard contact sparring and competition with out killing the other person.
Deosn't mean that WC is great, doesn't mean it's goin to take the MMA world by storm. But it proves that the main reason so many WC people suck is because of lame excuses and justification of not training their art properly, with aliveness, resistence and sparring
Your hippified - for the street, learn to fight so I don't have to fight stuff is what make WV/VT/Wt or whatever you call it crap. It's just more self justification for sub par training.
Watch the video, and see people who can use this stuff in a sporting scenario.
Chances are they can use it on the street 100X better than you because of that training.
M1K3
2/28/2007 9:32am,
Sir Grossi, so you are trying to tell me that in a full scale, all out fight you have the skill to poke somebody in the eye, but in a boxing ring you would be incapable of punching them in the head? Bullsh*t! Larper!
wei-chi-student
2/28/2007 9:35am,
<putting book down back of trousers>
Like anything in life, there is ALWAYS someone better, faster, stronger,
more intelligent etc etc.
All we can do is suppliment and improve our position to increase our
chances of survival.
With regards to Wing Chun (or any other style of 'self defence') it gives
you the basic tools with which to start your learning.
The more you train the better you become, but NEVER trick yourself into
thinking you are the best !
Wing Chun as far as I understand it, was developed for the purposes
of Self Defence and aimed primarily at travelling Nuns.
First Rule of self defence;
Run!
If you can't run then you need to be as effective as possible
with least amount of effort when it comes to defending youself.
And this is, where I believe Wing Chun is coming from.
All the traditional mumbo jumbo is the 'ART' that goes along with
the application of training methods to get you into a more tuned state of being.
Until you get put into a position where you need to react for real. You will
NEVER be able know how effective your 'style/art' really is.
It is almost impossible to recreate a realistic street fighting scenario
in the gym/classroom.
I personally would not want to see how effective my eye gouging technique really is!
To be really effective it has to be instant and unrelenting. Therefore unpracticeable!
But you ARE going to use it if you have to, in order to defend yourself.
With regards to the 'McDojo' scenario, one of life's 2 main motivators is money!
(the other being sex).
Not very often in this life are you going to something for nothing. Some schools
are more unscrupulous than others. But they are all there to to cover
their expenses if not to make a profit.
My tip to anyone would be never to pay for anything too far in advance.
In summary, anyone who says/thinks that WING CHUN can provide them with
everything they might need, is wrong!
What it can give you, are the basics. It can help you develop a sense of
control, patience and willingness to share strength hope and experience.
(That sounds Gay!:cry: )
You would not be reading or posting here if you had not first learned
the alphabet.
You learn to read and write in School. You learn to swear on the Street!
If you do get into a fight you ARE going to get hurt!
Man, your post has everything, the nun, the street, eyegauges, everything! Everything but a point. Or i just missed it.
Like anything in life, there is ALWAYS someone better, faster, stronger,
more intelligent etc etc.
All we can do is suppliment and improve our position to increase our
chances of survival.
With regards to Wing Chun (or any other style of 'self defence') it gives
you the basic tools with which to start your learning.
The more you train the better you become, but NEVER trick yourself into
thinking you are the best !
Wing Chun as far as I understand it, was developed for the purposes
of Self Defence and aimed primarily at travelling Nuns.
First Rule of self defence;
Run!
If you can't run then you need to be as effective as possible
with least amount of effort when it comes to defending youself.
And this is, where I believe Wing Chun is coming from.
All the traditional mumbo jumbo is the 'ART' that goes along with
the application of training methods to get you into a more tuned state of being.
Until you get put into a position where you need to react for real. You will
NEVER be able know how effective your 'style/art' really is.
It is almost impossible to recreate a realistic street fighting scenario
in the gym/classroom.
I personally would not want to see how effective my eye gouging technique really is!
To be really effective it has to be instant and unrelenting. Therefore unpracticeable!
But you ARE going to use it if you have to, in order to defend yourself.
With regards to the 'McDojo' scenario, one of life's 2 main motivators is money!
(the other being sex).
Not very often in this life are you going to something for nothing. Some schools
are more unscrupulous than others. But they are all there to to cover
their expenses if not to make a profit.
My tip to anyone would be never to pay for anything too far in advance.
In summary, anyone who says/thinks that WING CHUN can provide them with
everything they might need, is wrong!
What it can give you, are the basics. It can help you develop a sense of
control, patience and willingness to share strength hope and experience.
(That sounds Gay!:cry: )
You would not be reading or posting here if you had not first learned
the alphabet.
You learn to read and write in School. You learn to swear on the Street!
If you do get into a fight you ARE going to get hurt!
Man, your post has everything, the nun, the street, eyegauges, everything! Everything but a point. Or i just missed it.
Goju - Joe
2/28/2007 9:35am,
I am getting my WC threads all mixed up
Here's DTT's WC video showing WC people fighting full contact with out anyone dying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RXmSvM8FA&feature=PlayList&p=34993C20C7252173&index=35
Here's DTT's WC video showing WC people fighting full contact with out anyone dying
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-RXmSvM8FA&feature=PlayList&p=34993C20C7252173&index=35
Sir Grossi
2/28/2007 10:27am,
Thought I'd get some response but not that quick!!
Can't view videos at work, but will later on.
The pinnacle of the Wing Chun Style is supposed to be Bil Jee
'Deadly Hands/Fingers'. As well as some weapon forms.
Never got that far myself in the seven years that I trained.:pity:
The choice of using 'eye gouging' was in order to illustrate a type of
technique that would permantly disable an opponent and therefore
is quite hard to prove effectively in a controlled environment.
IMHO
1. Wing Chun = Self Defence
2. Self Defence = Using any means neccessary to protect yourself, loved ones.
(ie something swift and disabling to your opponent, to minimise any damage to yourself)
Not saying that Wing Chun can not be used in sport, but this was not
the object for it's creation.
The purpose was self defence, and as such I think it gives you a reasonable
grounding/conditioning. But don't let be the sum total of your experience.
All that learning is nothing without regular exercise, practice and aplication
(where appropriate).
Believe it or not I do enjoy sparring! And found that Wing Chun
served me very well when sparring against other styles.
My personal preference is not to enter into real life fight if possible.
Scared of being hurt? Me,yes!
Hippie? Me, Yes
Would you beat me in a fight? Maybe....But you'd have to catch me first!:laughing1
Politics and Self Justification spoil what is essentially a nice little style.
btw. I would not generally punch you in the head as I would probably break
my hand. But a swift side palm to the throat or palm strike to your face
might be ok?
:blob1:
Had to look 'Larper' up. Have you seen me in my Batman Costume?:5wolverin
Ahhh.. A point?? It was an attempt to introduce myself and a response to the original post . I kept getting the reminders that I had not posted. So I thought I would.
To reiterate, anything posted above is only the opinion of the author.
Can't view videos at work, but will later on.
The pinnacle of the Wing Chun Style is supposed to be Bil Jee
'Deadly Hands/Fingers'. As well as some weapon forms.
Never got that far myself in the seven years that I trained.:pity:
The choice of using 'eye gouging' was in order to illustrate a type of
technique that would permantly disable an opponent and therefore
is quite hard to prove effectively in a controlled environment.
IMHO
1. Wing Chun = Self Defence
2. Self Defence = Using any means neccessary to protect yourself, loved ones.
(ie something swift and disabling to your opponent, to minimise any damage to yourself)
Not saying that Wing Chun can not be used in sport, but this was not
the object for it's creation.
The purpose was self defence, and as such I think it gives you a reasonable
grounding/conditioning. But don't let be the sum total of your experience.
All that learning is nothing without regular exercise, practice and aplication
(where appropriate).
Believe it or not I do enjoy sparring! And found that Wing Chun
served me very well when sparring against other styles.
My personal preference is not to enter into real life fight if possible.
Scared of being hurt? Me,yes!
Hippie? Me, Yes
Would you beat me in a fight? Maybe....But you'd have to catch me first!:laughing1
Politics and Self Justification spoil what is essentially a nice little style.
btw. I would not generally punch you in the head as I would probably break
my hand. But a swift side palm to the throat or palm strike to your face
might be ok?
:blob1:
Had to look 'Larper' up. Have you seen me in my Batman Costume?:5wolverin
Ahhh.. A point?? It was an attempt to introduce myself and a response to the original post . I kept getting the reminders that I had not posted. So I thought I would.
To reiterate, anything posted above is only the opinion of the author.
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