There are many articles about how to find back the effective Aikido, or how to make Aikido an ultimate fighting art.
But what if we just all overestimate Aikido?
I believe that Ueshiba was a good martial artist who knows enough about fighting, and of course he knew that he couldn't do again what Kano Jigoro already did, transforming the old schools of Jujutsu in an fighting art that could survive the changes of modern times. Maybe Aikikai had his reasons in soften Aikido down, and it is only we the dreamers and LARPers who are searching for the ultimate art which can let us become the ultimate fighter without getting heart?
Daitoryu is nowadays just one tiny little branch of koryu jujutsu, but Aikido is a common known "ma". Why? Maybe because it teaches something different, which is only an isolated aspect of the martial arts.
Most ma nowadays have sporting competition as their "battlefield", but Aikido does not, there is no place to really use Aikido, so why only focus on learning how to fight? Some say it's only ballroom dancing, but it undoughtable has its roots in martial arts.
And even if it's right that Tokyo Riot Police learns Aikido, I don't believe that they do it without developing fighting skills from Judo.
meataxe
10/01/2006 11:27am,
(snip)
Some say it's only ballroom dancing, but it undoughtable has its roots in martial arts.
(snip)
Just a thought... I've seen a few ballroom dancers. They are fit, lean, toned, strong and balanced. Throw in a little striking and groundwork and you might have a good MA. (And leave behind the funny costumes.)
Goju - Joe
10/01/2006 12:44pm,
Just a thought... I've seen a few ballroom dancers. They are fit, lean, toned, strong and balanced. Throw in a little striking and groundwork and you might have a good MA. (And leave behind the funny costumes.)
and lots of hot chicks. Ballroom dancing has all the hot girls. If I were single I would forget about MA and concentrate on Ballroom
Mjelva
10/01/2006 1:52pm,
Aikido? Ineffective? Unpossible!
Doctor X
10/01/2006 3:33pm,
Like I said ask them
So, in otherwords you have no bloody idea what your are writing about.
Glad that is settled.
Why is it that the Tokyo Rioy police are the first line of defense for BS aikidoka trying feel better about their horrible training? I'd bet 99% of the people that spout about the riot police have never even seen them, let alone seen them do any kind of technique they would recognize.
Indeed, why?
Probably goes with the LARP'ing.
Tokyo riot police mostly bash people with truncheons.
So do riot police in other countries.
I'll bet the Aikido bit in their training is limited to heavily modified Aikijutsu wrist or arm locks which differ from western police wrist and arm locks only in name. Politics.
To my mind Aikido is not suited to shielded armoured truncheon-weilding riot police work.
But . . . do they have . . . the . . . MAGIC PANTS?!!!
--J.D.
towag
10/01/2006 6:27pm,
So, in otherwords you have no bloody idea what your are writing about.
Glad that is settled.
Indeed, why?
Probably goes with the LARP'ing.
But . . . do they have . . . the . . . MAGIC PANTS?!!!
--J.D.
I'll assume you have many clocks in your house
Doctor X
10/01/2006 7:28pm,
As your embarrassing failure to defend a position demonstrated, you should not assume anything.
--J.D.
Truculent Sheep
10/01/2006 8:56pm,
Most of the Aikidoka at the local dojo I live near to say they've done other martial arts before, like judo, karate, kickboxing and what-have-you.
Indeed, the running theme is that most serious Aikido practioners I've met have backgrounds in other arts - even the Aikido instructor at the University of Winchester was a boxer in the Navy first.
The unspoken truth, then, seems to be that you need a firm foundation in fighting before you even think of dabbling in hakamas. Or floating in a circular manner.
GRAB MY WRIST
10/02/2006 2:51am,
Why is it that the Tokyo Rioy police are the first line of defense for BS aikidoka trying feel better about their horrible training? I'd bet 99% of the people that spout about the riot police have never even seen them, let alone seen them do any kind of technique they would recognize.
Meataxe: That video made me die a little inside.
There, our poster boyz:
http://www.hunkabutta.com/photos/fullsize/20031229d.jpg
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40809000/jpg/_40809309_afp_police203body.jpg
I could be wrong here, but after graduating from the "Senshusei" course, these boyz get promoted and they may be employed in the diplomatic corp... e.g., protecting foreign dignitaries.
GMW.
Doctor X
10/02/2006 3:07am,
Where are their Magic Pants?
I call charade!!!
--J.D.
towag
10/02/2006 3:38am,
As your embarrassing failure to defend a position demonstrated, you should not assume anything.
--J.D.
Tick Tock Tick Tock
Doctor X
10/02/2006 3:39am,
Dick Dork Dick Dork
In the rain.
--J.D.
towag
10/02/2006 3:46am,
Dick Dork Dick Dork
In the rain.
--J.D.
As I thought:bduh:
Doctor X
10/02/2006 4:01am,
You behave like a dork equiped with a dink, you will be identified as such.
Sorry to make you cry.
Thanks.
J&D
towag
10/02/2006 4:10am,
You behave like a dork equiped with a dink, you will be identified as such.
Sorry to make you cry.
Thanks.
J&D
Chuckle Chuckle
GRAB MY WRIST
10/02/2006 4:23am,
Where are their Magic Pants?
--J.D.
Yoshinkan'er are rarely associated with Hakama. For assuming we don the Magic Pants (tm), you will be punished. 100 bunny hops around the dojo for you.
