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missile
8/05/2006 6:27pm,
I had a slightly unpleasant exerience this week, and I thought I'd share it so that, god forbid, if you find yourself in the same situation you can make an informed decision.

On monday night at judo we were doing randori and I got hit with the non-textbook version of uchi-mata. This is also sometimes referred as a kick in the balls. My randori partner was very apologetic, and a few minutes later I felt good enough to do a few more minutes of randori. And then for 3 days everything was peachy.

If you've just eaten, I recommend not reading any further.

Thursday at noon I started to experience pain in my right testicle, pain which got very bad very quickly. It was the worst pain I had ever experienced. I vomited once from the pain before getting a ride to the hospital, and several times thereafter. After waiting a couple hours to be seen, I was examined by a doctor who set about trying to figure out which of two possible problems was causing my testicular pain:

1 Epididymitis: An inflammation of the convoluted duct which lies on the posterior surface of the testicle

2 Torsion: a twisting of the the spermatic cord that supplies blood to the testicle.

The latter is generally more immediately dangerous. Based on my response to the cremasteric reflex, a test where he scratches my inner thigh, he concluded that it probably wasn't a torsion. And he was a very nice guy, so I don't harbour any ill will to him for being wrong.

They sent me home with a morphine shot, with instructions to get ultrasound done and see a urologist the next day. The morphine did nothing, besides making me feel a little warmer. The pain abated only very slightly.

Ultrasound the next day indicated that I had no blood flow in the right testicle. And as soon as that discovery was made, I started getting extremely efficent service. Within an hour I was being prepped for surgery (at a different hospital as it happens), and being warned that should the testicle be deemed necrotic it would have to be removed. I called my girlfriend immediately before being moved to the OR, and we agreed that this was disconcerting.

The last thing I heard before going under was a nurse asking "Do I have gum on my face?" I think that the question was directed to anesthetist, but I never got the details, as a few seconds later I began to feel very heavy and lost conciousness, amid the general hilarity.

Within a few seconds of waking up (to the best of my recollection) I asked if my testicle had been saved. Three times I repeated this question, and each time I was reassured that yes indeed, my torsed testicle had been fixed and was still healthy. Within an hour after waking I feeling great. This time apparently, my injury repaired, morphine was able to work its magic. And I was left with a strage craving for frozen yogurt shakes. I had two.

Currently I'm swollen and a little bit sore.. My girlfriend thinks it's terribly funny that we're both bleeding from our crotches right now. But who cares? I still have two tesicles.

Anyway moral of the story: if you get persistent testicular pain, get it checked out fast. Real fast.

Lights Out
8/05/2006 7:06pm,
Glad to know you managed to keep your endagered family jewel.

I've heard stories about testicles getting almost ruined, and that's why I always train with a cup.

Another moral of this story is that grapplers should also wear one.

chaosexmachina
8/05/2006 7:20pm,
I never train without a cup... You shouldn't either.

Yrkoon9
8/05/2006 7:24pm,
CUP.

MOUTHPIECE.

Wear them. Always.

missile
8/05/2006 7:58pm,
Amen to the cup suggestions. I'll be getting one of those as soon as I stop walking funny. And yes, I do feel stupid about not having worn one.

Scrapper
8/05/2006 8:06pm,
Ahhhh yes...the famous "ouchie mata." I am familiar. Beware of "ouchie gari" "teste nage" of the same family.

NOthiing good will come of them.

bob
8/11/2006 8:32am,
Damn you!

The day after I read this I got kicked in the groin at sparring. It dropped me (I had a cup on but the guy was 6'7" and 130kg) but I felt OK by the next day. But now I'm going to spend the next three days worrying...

Mjelva
8/11/2006 8:42am,
I guess you had to figure out the hard way that a cup is a good idea, huh?

Lefty
8/11/2006 8:51am,
If a guy kicks you that hard in the balls when doing a throw in randori I would seriously talk to my instructor and tell him about it. This guy shouldnt be kicking anyone in the nuts and needs to be talked to about the principle of mutual benefit. This would be a Hansoku Make in a tournament and end up in an immediate elimination from that day's competition.

An uchi mata is an inner thigh throw and should look like this:
http://www.judoinfo.com/images/animations/blue/uchimata.htm

To my knowledge people dont generally wear cups in Judo (I'm still a noob). Do they wear cups in BJJ practise?

CannibalCrowley
8/11/2006 9:24am,
I've never worn a cup grappliing before. When I start BJJ after I recover from my injury (hopefully October) I'll be sure to wear a cup. Hell, I might as well throw a mouthpiece in there too.

Teh El Macho
8/11/2006 9:46am,
I fucking fear uchi mata, even with a cup!

Good to hear have balls... I mean, that you still have your balls. That was a close call. Scary. :icon_conf

PirateJon
8/11/2006 11:29am,
I've never worn a cup grappliing before. When I start BJJ after I recover from my injury (hopefully October) I'll be sure to wear a cup. Hell, I might as well throw a mouthpiece in there too.

Wear em both. Train how you compete.

missile
8/11/2006 6:36pm,
I guess you had to figure out the hard way that a cup is a good idea, huh?

Yes, yes I did. But then, as Lefty points out:


To my knowledge people dont generally wear cups in Judo

Which is exactly the situation at my club. Also, hard groin cups are banned in competition. If you follow the discussions at judoforum.com, there are various ridiculous rationalizations for this, such as:

-Groin cups help too much with armbars

-If you practice armbars with a cup, and try to do an armbar without one, you'll hurt your testicles

-If you fall down while wearing a groin cup, you could injure yourself

Switching to BJJ is starting to seem like an attractive option.

Soft groin cups are legal in judo, but I get the feeling that soft groin cups or jock straps essentially do nothing. Anyone have some advice on that?


If a guy kicks you that hard in the balls when doing a throw in randori I would seriously talk to my instructor and tell him about it.

That's the thing, it wasn't *that* hard. The kick was definitely an honest accident. My friend who did the deed has only a bit more experience than I do. (I have one year, he has about two.) His Uchi-mata clearly needs some work, but there wasn't any malice involved.


Good to hear have balls... I mean, that you still have your balls. That was a close call. Scary.

Thanks, EM.

An update: my scrotum is no longer the size of a grapefruit. (It swelled a bit after surgery.) My urologist told me today that he's very happy with how my testicles are doing, but that I shouldn't do anything like judo for at least a month.

bob
8/11/2006 9:16pm,
This reminds me of a friend of mine who jammed his stick into his groin while playing hockey.

He went to the doctor with some swelling and bruising. The doc's solution:

"Go home, run a hot bath and have a wank" (jerk off for Americans).

Apparently he told him it would relieve the pressure on the spermatic cord.

Poop Loops
8/12/2006 12:22am,
What do you mean by "soft" groin cup? Mine's made out of plastic, but I've never been hurt while wearing it (and I had a guy literally drop his knee into my nuts in an attempt to shoot through my guard. Didn't feel a thing.)

missile
8/12/2006 12:35am,
What do you mean by "soft" groin cup? Mine's made out of plastic, but I've never been hurt while wearing it (and I had a guy literally drop his knee into my nuts in an attempt to shoot through my guard. Didn't feel a thing.)

By hard, I mean made of rigid plastic or metal, possibly covered in padding. By soft, I mean nothing but padding. (This latter option is what they suggest on judoforum.com, and it seems more or less useless.) According to to competition rules, I'm apparently not allowed to wear anything hard under my gi, even if covered by padding.

Is your plastic cup hard, or does it have some flex? (If it does have some flex to it, then this may be the judo-legal, testicle-saving device that I'm loooking for.) Can you tell me what make/model of cup you have?