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Arclight
8/01/2006 5:17pm,
Okay folks, let's have a critique of this guy's bullshido level. I'll put the link, resume, and claimed instructors below. I'm surprised he doesnt teach Dim Mak also. But dont antagonize this guy because, well, he's a US head coach for NHB and Grappling of the World Games.

http://www.tigerclayskravmaga.com/index.cfm?zone=about.ci

October 2005 - Picked to be US Head Coach/Team Captain for NHB and Grappling of the World Games, Cancun Mexico

August 2005 - Promoted to 5th Dan in Israeli Attack Safe Defense Systems

July 2004 – US National Martial Arts Hall of Fame Inductee – No Holds Barred Fighter of the Year

December 2003 - Appointed by the U.S. National Martial Arts Team/Alliance to fight in the World Games to be held in Athens, Greece.

July 2000 - Terrace Martial Arts Hall of Fame inductee. Inducted as "Youngest Inductee Ever". January 2000 - Recognized as 4th Dan and

Creator/Author of the Ta Gi Gaku Karate-Do system by the American Alliance of Martial Artists.

August 1997 - Nominated as Captain of the O.D.K.A. International Fighting Team.

July 1997 - Received the rank of Shodan in the exclusive system of Dai-Ichi Shotokan Karate-Do.

July 1997 - Ranked #7 Nationally in the World Traditional Karate-Do Federation invitationals and recognized unanimously as "Most Intimidating" by a panel of 28 judges.

July 1993 - Ranked #12 Nationally and recognized as "Youngest Ranking Fighter in Tournament History".

Chuck Heacock (the World’s most Phenomenal Sales and Marketing Mentor and all-around amazing friend)
Greg and Jeanie Silva – Children’s Martial Arts Program Mentors
Mike Lee Kanarek - Founder of Haganah Isreali Self Defense - Member of the Golani Brigade (Elite Israeli Special Forces Group)... who loves kicking me in the groin
Hanshi Ricardo Johns - Dai-Ichi Shotokan Karate-Do (a Karateka Soke of few words, but phenominal ability and "human" characteristic)
John Whitman - Krav Maga (amazing, instinctive fighter and another who enjoyed kicking me in the groin)
Sensei Ron Risce - Kenpo, Hapkido, Judo, Ju-Jitsu, Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu
Gokor Chyvician – Judo, Sambo, Hayastan Jiu-Jitsu
Sensei "Judo" Gene LeBell (for choking me out relentlessly until I figured out that 2 week long headaches weren’t actually as funny as he thought they were)
Choo Chai Prakarnchai (Choo Chai Ritteluchai) – Muay Thai
Michael Margolin - Krav Maga
Sam Sade - Krav Maga (and colorful Israeli Lingo/Jokes)
Jarret Waldman - Krav Maga
Wade Allen - Krav Maga
Sensei Daniel Thompson - Sempi - Shotokan Karate-Do (for bringing truth to my Table of Martial Arts)
Darren Levine - U.S. Chief Krav Maga Instructor
Sensei Walt Bushey - Texas Komei Jukyu/Katsujin Ryu Budo Kai (Great freind and awesome coach. One of few I have found who really appreciates AND practices true tradionalism and the technique within the Traditional Japanese Arts. Also one of the very few I will ever recommend for real Karate-Do and Kickboxing training)

It is Fake
8/01/2006 5:23pm,
Well, you might want to tell us how you feel first.

Tell us what you think and if you visited the school. What makes you feel he is Bullshido or a MC Dojo.

sasquatch989
8/01/2006 7:30pm,
Tiger Clay (http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?FirstName=Tiger&LastName=Clay&NickName=&search=yes)only exists in his mind

sasquatch989
8/01/2006 7:36pm,
From the website:


"I just want to conclude by saying ‘Thank You!’ to my instructors and mentors for the impartation of their knowledge and for their trust in my own teaching abilities.

Chuck Heacock (the World’s most Phenomenal Sales and Marketing Mentor and all-around amazing friend) (Emphasis mine)
Greg and Jeanie Silva – Children’s Martial Arts Program Mentors
Mike Lee Kanarek - Founder of Haganah Isreali Self Defense - Member of the Golani Brigade (Elite Israeli Special Forces Group)... who loves kicking me in the groin
Hanshi Ricardo Johns - Dai-Ichi Shotokan Karate-Do (a Karateka Soke of few words, but phenominal ability and "human" characteristic)....
Looks like he has his priorities in check.

Grandnat
8/02/2006 12:24am,
Ok this place is literally about 2 miles from where I live. I am also very interested... there has been alot of talk about this place being real bullshido.

can anyone confirm or deny some of his claims?


specifically "1998 Rookie of the Year" for the Panamanian Underground Cagefighting League.

"July 1997 - Ranked #7 Nationally in the World Traditional Karate-Do Federation invitationals and recognized unanimously as "Most Intimidating" by a panel of 28 judges. "


this is quoted from another forum

Shall I add to this? Here is something else the Master wrote:
"I am the US headcoach for nhb, grappling, & kickboxing...... We fight in Hawai in October, and several other locations afterwards, and again in Beijing for nthe world games in 08."

NOTE: The next World Games is actually 2009 in Kaohsiung, Taiwan. And its every 4 years - the 2005 World Games was in Germany (not in Cancun like his resume) and there was no 2003 World Games either like in his resume.

However the PUCL holds finals every 18 months under a full moon in a pit in the jungle lit only by moonlight and torches. I am trying to get the bootleg video from MMAGear.com right now. We will see if ORB was really champion.


this is his myspace
www.myspace.com/tigerklay

if you go to his myspace you will notice that he has his IQ listed by one of those BS online IQ tests as 160. It is listed just like below... I copy and pasted it.


Your IQ Is 160

Your Logical Intelligence is Far Above Average

Your Verbal Intelligence is Far Above Average

Your Mathematical Intelligence is Far Above Average

Your General Knowledge is Far Above Average

well if you go to this link...

http://msgboard.snopes.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=71;t=001318;p=2

you will see that the highest IQ you can possibly get on that test (even if all the answers are correct, all 16 of them LOL) is 140.

He actually went in and changed his IQ to higher than allowed by the test.



this in itself is not considered "high crimes and misdemeanors" by the bullshido standards... but when you add it all together it just stinks a little.


lets get together and do what this site does best... specifically, see if we can disprove some of his claims as bullshido.

I will be happy to go to his school and do a drop in, but I would like to be armed with some facts before I do this.

Omega Supreme
8/02/2006 2:09am,
Well **** at 6'4" 296 (did I see that right) very few people are going to argue with him. I'd go check out his studio first. He might be full of **** but he may be able to back it up. He doesn't look like a lazy fat ass willing to rest on his laurels (spell check please.)

sdave
8/02/2006 2:43am,
Well **** at 6'4" 296 (did I see that right) very few people are going to argue with him. I'd go check out his studio first. He might be full of **** but he may be able to back it up. He doesn't look like a lazy fat ass willing to rest on his laurels (spell check please.)

He's got over a hundred pounds on Paul. I'd hate to show up over there alone when he's having a bad day. OTOH, bringing a crew could look confrontational. Phillips would probably roll with him at the very least to check out his BJJ, but he'll in Canada for a while.

Let us know if you follow up on this, Paul.

Omega Supreme
8/02/2006 2:54am,
Not to sound arrogant but I'd roll with the guy, it's not like I haven't gone toe to toe with guys that big before. It's just harder.

Omega Supreme
8/02/2006 2:55am,
PS. Sdave, I'll be in the Lewisville area in Late Nov. We should hook up.

BomberH
8/02/2006 3:50am,
This is the only other reference on the internet to the US National Martial Arts Hall of Fame. It's not very prestigious then.

http://artsofthesamurai.net/senseibilley.html

Underground fights in Panama, what a load of bollocks. I'm the underground no hold's barred champion of Iran. Now try and prove me wrong. Oh you couldn't get any information about it. That's because it's such a deadly competition it's secret.


Ranked #7 Nationally in the World Traditional Karate-Do Federation invitationals and recognized unanimously as "Most Intimidating" by a panel of 28 judges.

What a pathetic claim. He obviously didn't intimidate the 6 competitiors who kicked his ass.

Whitey
8/02/2006 8:05am,
I saw this guy driving around Hwy 121 the other day, he had some SUV airbrushed with advertisments for the school. The address is pretty close to me so I looked him up and blew it off as BS. Schools have been fudging karate creds forever, I think Krav is the new thing now. What concerns me is the growing trend of schools who claim to teach BJJ around here but have very suspicious credentials.

sdave
8/02/2006 8:11am,
PS. Sdave,

Michael, err... MISTER Omega, please feel free to call me Dave!




I'll be in the Lewisville area in Late Nov. We should hook up.

Assuming I'm not up in Vernon with the Rockstar, then absolutely. Beer's on me!

Mars
8/02/2006 8:49am,
Evidently it's not too hard to get a licence to teach Krav Maga. i personally know of three different guys that have certifications and not one of them has ever studied Krav Maga .:bssign: I used to wonder if they weren't giving Krav Maga instructor licenses as the prize in boxes of Cracker Jacks. However they are getting them, it's become a way for bull **** - o MA teachers to further convince clueless bovine potential students that the bogus self defense techniques they teach are "teh r34l [email protected]"

Omega Supreme
8/02/2006 8:56am,
Evidently it's not too hard to get a licence to teach Krav Maga. i personally know of three different guys that have certifications and not one of them has ever studied Krav Maga .:bssign: I used to wonder if they weren't giving Krav Maga instructor licenses as the prize in boxes of Cracker Jacks. However they are getting them, it's become a way for bull **** - o MA teachers to further convince clueless bovine potential students that the bogus self defense techniques they teach are "teh r34l [email protected]"

It's the reason most here think Krav Maga is crap. Too many fly by night licensed instructors. Fairly bullshit.

Grandnat
8/02/2006 9:04am,
Well **** at 6'4" 296 (did I see that right) very few people are going to argue with him. I'd go check out his studio first. He might be full of **** but he may be able to back it up. He doesn't look like a lazy fat ass willing to rest on his laurels (spell check please.)


6' 7" - 6' 8" depending on which website.

Omega Supreme
8/02/2006 9:07am,
6' 7" - 6' 8" depending on which website.

Thanks Mr. attention to detail.

Do you take fiber for that personal problem of your Sir 'Anal Retentive'

:bootyshak :tinfoil: :bootyshak