>I don't follow you here one bit.
You need to calm down, you aren't making any sense.

The event promoters are the ones who say who fights and who doesn't. I was LAUGHING at you, DUH!

>How is MY personal experience of ANY relevance here, when we're discussing what MMA fighters do?

Do you need a house to fall on your head? If you can't follow a logical discussion let me know and I will spell it out for you. You are talking ABOUT MMA fighters not AS one. There is a difference. You are NOT a MMA fighter so call can you speak for them. You OBVIOUSLY don't know ALL of them BUT you tend to act as their spokesman!! You say you know the type I say you know nothing but watching OTHER pple. Your comments would have more substance if you HAD expereince on the subject you are talking about. That like telling a lisenced mechanic how to fix a car after you watched a couple of tapes.

Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invinsible Asia) Emporer of Baji!!! THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST THE UNITED AUSSIE FRONT!!

Stipe, your dumbass defenition of what is useless is centered around your idiocy, lack of skill, intelligence, and experience. As you gain skill, more stuff becomes effective. MMA guys tend to drop anything they can't find a use for before they even start training. That's why they end up like you.

MMA is fine for fighting, but you people have no bragging rights. You are not better than traditional MA, and your dumbass NHB tourneys don't amount to ****.

> Your comments would have more substance if you HAD expereince on the subject you are talking about.


Which specific comments did you have in mind here, moron?


> That like telling a lisenced mechanic how to fix a car after you watched a couple of tapes.


Bullshit.

A wrestler/kickboxer that lifts weights will own any WC wanker out there.
And all you guys CAN do about it is post garbage on Net boards, cause you KNOW you'd get raped in the ring.
Which is why you do it so much, I guess.

- Stipe -

> MMA is fine for fighting


You could've just said this and skipped the moronic rant.

You would've seemed more like a sane person that way.

Try it sometime.

> but you people have no bragging rights.


Whooping yo asses gives us the rights.


- Stipe -

>And all you guys CAN do about it is post garbage on Net boards, cause you KNOW you'd get raped in the ring.
Which is why you do it so much, I guess.


Stipe,
This is why you are so STUPID. Can't keep facts straight in you head! I'VE BEEN IN THE RING AND WON!!! YOU HAVEN'T in the sport YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT!!!

You talk tough on the net but if I came to Croatia, which I am planning on doing to me a friend, you would be a little bitch!!! MY BITCH!!! But I know this is a waste because you wouldn't want me looking to embrass you in YOUR COUNTRY. But say the world and it is on and we can see who is talking BULLSHIT!!! You know where to find my email.

Xiao Ao Jiang Hu Zhi Dong Fang Bu Bai (Laughing Proud Warrior Invinsible Asia) Emporer of Baji!!! THE FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE AGAINST THE UNITED AUSSIE FRONT!!




Edited by - Asia on July 20 2002 06:36:27

> This is why you are so STUPID. Can't keep facts straight in you head! I'VE BEEN IN THE RING AND WON!


So what?

You're still an idiot for claiming MMA fighters don't do BJJ/Sambo/wrestling, and a retard for making yet another moronic "Internet challenge" after making an idiot out of himself in a conversation.


> But say the world and it is on and we can see who is talking BULLSHIT!!!


It's quite obvious ATM as well.


- Stipe -

I've done wresteling, judo and I am now doing Capoeira. I did a bit of ninjutsu, I plan on taking it in about 4 years again. I've finally found a good Ninjutsu school.

whats up everyone..

This is my first post so I would like to say hello to everyone.

My arts include Submission grappling and Genbukan Ninpo


thank you.. now please, continue your flaming

I practice Wushu.

Stipe, with all this flaming you failed to mention how any of those people have anything to with YOU. Are you as good as those people? If so, why aren't you in their ranks? And, why is it that all examples start with any joe average person fighting the very best of your venue? Now that being asked, is everybody in your type of show as good as the best? Then why don't we see them in the show?

Can you speak about your art without turning on a T.V.? hmm?

McDojo, is it what you do or is it what you think?

Stipe has an amazing ability to completely miss the point.


"but you people have no bragging rights.


'Whooping yo asses gives us the rights.'"

Actually, Stipe, by your own admission, you haven't whooped ANYONE'S ass.

I have nothing against MMA, technically I suppose I am a MMA to a degree, but some people SHOULD NOT be taken as representatives of MMA, and Stipe is such a person.

What Asia is trying to say, Stipe, is that you call a number of people who have had some success in MMA nobodies, but you have not even competed, which means those "nobodies" have balls you have never shown, and have ring experience you do not have, and yet don't fit by your definition of a MMA, which can only mean that you definition of a MMA is flawed, and coming from a position of inexperience.

So, if you actually want to talk about the aikido thing, then stop making so many tangents to your conversation just to slam every art you know precious little about, which appears to include the arts you study.

Those people winning fights on your UFC tapes are not you, no matter how rich your fantasy life is. Quit riding their coattails and do something of your own to be proud of.

It is people like you who give traditional styles a bad name, because they live in their sifu's shadow, and contribute zero to their arts.

Want to see what makes a mcdojo? Look in the mirror, Stipe. It's one guy living in the shadow of his better, and thinking it's his shadow.

KC,
I couldn't and didn't say it any better.

McDojo, is it what you do or is it what you think?

Umm, isn't Ken Shamrocks style pancrateum? Which isn't BJJ, sambo or wrestling. And I believe he had some success.

Ken Shamrock's style is WWF-jutsu, which includes moves like the suplex, People's Elbow, body slam, and (we believe he adopted this from Ti Kwon Leep) Boot to the Head.

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And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

there are plenty of people who do well in MMA without BJJ.

Frank Shamrock ( who doesn't do BJJ, he does his own brand of submission fighting coming from the Pancrase style ) beat Tito Ortiz (who does do BJJ).

there are also guys who train judo and judo-derived stuff no-gi and use both throws and groundwork from judo. Wajutsu ( home of Caol Uno ) uses Kosen Judo groundwork as applied to no-gi grappling and NHB.

BJJ, Sambo, and wrestling are all fine arts, but there aren't the only thing out there.

i learned how to breakdance very well at a young age.at 10yrs old a started to take TKD from the locale Y??it was sorta meaningless,but tought me a few basic kicks i hadnt been familiar with.in jr.highscool i boxed and had a 11-1-1with10KO's from there i started kickboxing,but soon found that i would lose more when i tried to kick it out,but could ko someone within a few punches(due to boxing)I must admit when i seen only the strong i started taking some capoeira-but i would never use that in a real fight.When i seen a pancrease match featuring a guy i had never herd of named Ken wayn Shammrock I emedeatly studied movies games any peice of grappling i could find.Soon i was tapping out friends that had taken tkd or karate and were way bigger than me..this was all about 3yrs before the 1st UFC.As of latley im going to a bjj school because i wanted to start fighting in MMA..maybe soon you will all see me?LOL