i also dislike christians who think there better then other older religons, as a real religon christianity is good, but not how its taught and practised, how many priests have read the original in aramaic not many.........

and hitting the instep has worked for me, trainers vs boots, boots won!

"[...] They both utilize methods of teaching where the Instructor is never at the same level as the students. They both use broken-rhythm in their training methods. In other words, the Instructor always looks good because, as he is teaching or demonstrating a technique, he frequently stops to talk about what he is doing, often adjusting himself to better his position, thereby breaking the rhythm of the movement, and the flow of the training."

Not where I train... yes, he stops to talk once in a while, but he usually shows the full technique in flow.

"The Instructor inevitably looks great because he is controlling the entire technique. The student obliges the Instructor as he is teaching and the outcome is that the Instructor looks even better. The students are conditioned to respond to the Instructor's movement, literally assisting the technique, making the Instructor's movement flawless in front of the other students."

First, you oblige to let him show the technique. Duh. But then we have guys that resist or try to wiggle out of a pin only to end up in a worse position.

"There is no sparring involved. There is no "will it work on the street" test involved in many styles of martial arts, ninjutsu being one of them. This is all a part of the smoke that clouds the martial arts, puts Instructors on a pedestal, and gives practitioners a false sense of security. Those who have only done this type of training and consider themselves to be fighters are gravely mistaken. They have been highly misinformed and their egos have got the best of them."

We spar. Our instructor competed in shootfighting in Japan.

The interview is too general to hold water. I picked the first few paragraphs and they didn't apply to me. Sure it depends on the dojo, and of course it's not the ultimate MA, and yes there are many that wouldn't stand a chance in a fight, but for me, it's working pretty darn well...

I am just going to post in this thread cause ninja's are cool.

NO. Ninjas are totally sweet!

Don't forget the Ninja facts:

1. Ninjas are mammals.
2. Ninjas fight ALL the time.
3. The purpose of the ninja is to flip out and kill people.

i think of myself (not a ninja) as more of a cold blooded creature really, plus is a great excuse for loungin about all day!

http://koryu.com/library/ninjutsu.html

read it and weep

not a nu site mate, we ve all read it, from koryu folks, its a bit like blade sayin everything is thai - again

lol

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Hard work, Patience, Dedication.
"I'd rather lie in a pool of sweat, than a pool of blood."

ive spared in both of the dojos ive trained tai jutsu in, my current instructor also is teaching us tony bluers stuff at the moment, and my old instructor was a bouncer ex boxer, in the bbd and the Genbukan ive never met a 'wannabe ninja' most of the shodans and above normally make jokes about ninja movies and the like, now if you want ashida kim ninjas check out the wonderfully wakky 'fuma ryu' dem real ultimate power!!!

I wouldn't personally compare the Fuma-Ryu to the Real Ultimate Power comedy website, but at least I can spell and punctuate my sentences correctly ;)

I guess the Fuma you've had contant with are possibly just out to rip people off, but the BFNS (British Fuma-Ryu Ninjutsu Society) are teaching traditional ninjutsu is several dojos across the UK.

Hate to break it to you nevla, but "Harunaka Hoshino" aka "Chihchung Yuan" invented Fuma Ryu and the related history (that he trained in it from 10 to 16 before his teacher disappeared, etc.) in the early 1980s in San Francisco to cash in on the early Ninja boom.

Contact Dale Seago if you're interested in more info as he studied with Hoshino just when he was begining the Fuma ryu bit in San Francisco.

Rise from your grave, thread
Now this is proper, old-school necromancy.

GAAAAHHHH! Zombie thread! Zombie Thread!!!!:new_Eyecr

One day I plan to resurrect bullshido's original first thread.

There are too many people being serious in this thread, actively contributing to the discussion and so forth. Give the people what they want! FUNNY PICTURES OF NINJERS!!

I'll answer your post in a couple of different ways, so bear with me.....

As for its effectiveness, to me the Bujinkan, if taught correctly can and will be an effective martial art. But there are a lot of people studying it who have never been in a fight, who've never trained realistically, and who have "dojo syndrome," meaning they never have been tried or made to take the techniques and apply them in a realistic and stressful manner.

I studied it primarily when I worked at a mental hospital in my hometown several years back and had to use my training several times to hold down resisiting people. Again though, I was lucky because my teachers taught me the importance of really doing techniques in a realistic way. Safe to say yes, I was hit sometimes. Safe to say, I never got into a situation I couldn't get out of. I never had trouble making people go down or hold them there. But I also understood that I might not always be so lucky too. I don't train believeing I'm the baddest mutha on the block. I don't like fighting to be honest!

I've been lucky in my training as my first instructors were both trained in other arts and understood the importance of pressure-testing a technique and sparring. I've never in all my years (so far) encountered anyone who thought the techniques were too deadly or dangerous for sparring, hell in my old dojo that was a nightly thing...sparring. And it was hard too. They never once mentioned Ki, Chi or Hadokens as part of the training nor did they ever mention the mystique of being a ninjer. I guess though living in the south we tend to see things like ninjers as just some kinda funny. I joined the dojo years ago wanting to learn viable self-defense and also because I didn't want to study Tae Kwon Do, which was at the time sadly the only thing around.

As for Ninjutsu (Ninjitsu) or whatever you choose to call it, Ninjutsu itself was not really an art. It means the art of perseverance from what I've always read. I could be wrong though. But those who claim to be ninja are just wannabes and fakes. Even Hatsumi-sensei has said that in his opinion the last ninja was Takamatsu, and that the real ones died out long ago. Its just not a feasable lifestyle anymore. You need someone to infiltrate some compound or whatever you send the SEALs or another government task force in. Not ninja. Ninjutsu (jitsu) is not a real martial art and I agree with an earlier post, its a long dead method. But the principles of the art can live on in a spiritual sense which I think is where a lot of people try to go with it these days. Course there are others who try to make it out to be some "mystical art from the grandfathers of their grandfathers."

Real ninja these days would be more like the SEALs or some other military group. Times have changed and sadly the time of the ninja is no more. We live in a different world now.