So did any of you yet prove it is bullshido or are you just saying it is and looking for agreement?

By "it" do you mean ninjutsu in general or your "Way of Diahrrea"? I think they've done a pretty decent job of exposing watery-poop-fighting as bullshido. As far as ninjutsu in general... that's a debate that goes on in many other places on this site, but I think it's fair to say that it's at least a discredited martial arts form.

Yo guys
I just so happen to know Master Orlando in person and I did have a chance to train under him a few times and to see him perform in person dunring a number of trips a took to Rome, Italy in the past three years.
I'm not big about the stunts and all the pretty and sensational stuff that korean martial artists seem to love so much, but what the guy does is real, works and, if you are into that kind of fighting strategy, orlando's style makes perfect sense.
There's no magic involved and he doesn't claim he knows the ultimate way.
He offers a fighting style, or, better, a combination of fighting styles to be learnt at once and he knows what he's doing just like any other expert. He is good at it and he has many students: some of them are good, some of them are avarage, some of them suck.......as it should be in any serious place.

Let me just add a note on the philosophical side.
The fact that the sensational phenomenon of ninjutsu has produced so many guru wanna be's doesn't mean that we can be so shallow and close minded to assume that whatever is outside the box ( or should I say the octagon?) is bs!!!
That would make us no better than the gullible breed that threatens to kill us with the secret mind power technique you can learn by purchasing Master Fook Yu's dvd on line!!!!
C'mon brothers! As martial artists we are mainly people that search the human body and mind to find what potential foes haven't thought of yet so, discarding anything by prejudice closes our opportunities and our credibility because it proves us blind and thick.
Martial arts ARE about secrets and tricks. If this weren't the case we should stop studying whatever art that we do and become faithful followers of Baba the jailbird and his ancient technique of swinging the car jack on people's teeth!!!!!!! And, trust me, that works 90% of the times.......
So ninjutsu is far from being discredited. Ninjutsu does work. You just need to be smart enough to make a difference between a ninjutsu master and a mcdojo money-hunting martial-masturbating sensei wanna be.
Making such a difference is, at the end of the day, what we are here to do.
So, let's not convert from the "religion" of the gullible to the "religion" of the skeptical and let's be real researchers!!!!!
Peace to everybody!

So did any of you yet prove it is bullshido or are you just saying it is and looking for agreement?

Hmmm...man for me it has got nothing to do with what style the art is...but when I start seeing arts that all of a sudden come from a different country than the style originated and is the "new improved secret style" as well as having a sensei with some slick sounding, ridiculously fake name that sounds like it was stolen from a comic character...then I have a problem with it...at to that a grandmaster that no one can find any record of, and the fact that no one else in the world is teaching it...and well...can you hear that alarm bell.

For example...what would you think if you saw that new school down the road...you know the one taught by Grandmaster Ricky Axekick, where he teaches the secret art of Bulgarian Muay Thai, first created back in 1326 when the Bugarians sailed to Thailand and took back to their monks the art of Thai boxing. There they honed and refined it, improving Muay Thai to the point where no it is better than the original....

The art became so deadly and hard to learn, that only one monk remained that new how to teach it, and lucky for us, he passed it on to Ricky Axekick and now the world can be a better place...

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Yo guys
I just so happen to know Master Orlando in person and I did have a chance to train under him a few times and to see him perform in person dunring a number of trips a took to Rome, Italy in the past three years.
I'm not big about the stunts and all the pretty and sensational stuff that korean martial artists seem to love so much, but what the guy does is real, works and, if you are into that kind of fighting strategy, orlando's style makes perfect sense.
There's no magic involved and he doesn't claim he knows the ultimate way.
He offers a fighting style, or, better, a combination of fighting styles to be learnt at once and he knows what he's doing just like any other expert. He is good at it and he has many students: some of them are good, some of them are avarage, some of them suck.......as it should be in any serious place.

thanks for that Orland..er...cornerstone
:5badair:

I refuse to take anyone seriously who allows himself be known as "Master Orlando."

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--J.D.

Lorhax could easily be dead serious about the "hella long time" it takes to learn "ninjutsu." He's only been alive, what, 13 or 14 years? A few years to a fake black belt would seem like a long time to someone his age.

I am not questioning if what Mr. Orlando teaches works or not. I am simply looking at the fact that what he claims to teach is total BS. To me it looks like a hybrid of other arts all meshed together, the history he offers for SulSa do is ridiculous and find it odd that he is the only instructor I have ever heard of teaching this exclusively. I lived for several years in Korea and never heard of this system, that is truly amazing. a super secret Korean Ninjitsu system that the Koreans don't even know about being taught by an Italian no less.

I saw nothing in the photo page or the video page that I haven't seen dozens of times before, and some of his weapons work (especially the stick work) was laughable. To me it looks like it has more in common with Karate than it does with any Korean arts.

Hopefully Der Auslander will come by this thread and shed more light on how much BS is involved here.

The closest thing I found was Sulsado wich is Korean Ninjutsu

Sulsado is not Korean ninjutsu. It was entirely fabricated and hos no resemblance at all to any of the pre-Japanese occupation Korean espionage artists.

As I said these sulsado guys are pretty harcore

Those sulsado guys are full of crap.

Go on Sulsado.it and look at the weapons curriculum only, than think about learning aikido, karate, tai chi, jujitsu, tae kwon jitsu (cause the do is crap)

Taekwonjitsu....

Taekwonjitsu.....

*bangs head into desk, tosses tea cup across the room, throws cat into garbage can, stomps on gerbil, and then dim mak's the bottom brick*

OMFB, WHY DO I HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS?!?

Hmmmm...I wish...

Threadjack: <Spontaneous Singing>

I wish I was little bit Asian,
Of the ninja persuasion,
And I wish that a shogun
Had killed all o’ my relations.
I wish I had some makibishi in a hat, wearing tabi
To the ceremonial occasions.

I wish I was like five-foot-three
So I could get with some Shinobi,
‘Cause I almost died deep inside
When I felt how his art is part o’ me.
You know you can’t see me,
Because I’m all invisibility
Or hiding up a tree.
And I spend a lot of time
Summoning my chi.
That’s how you know I’m deadly.
And as for MMA, yo you might be
All about the fight but I walk the street
And I drink my green tea.
You know I’m always ready
To go and throw the ninja-to
When I’m walking my city.

I wish I had a brand-new shozoku
So far, mine is wearing through
And in the back, right near my crack
There’s a ‘lil brown streak of poo.
Yeah, everywhere I go, people stare
‘Cause they know I’m so cool.
When I'm dressed in black I’m laid back -
Until I go whack.
Then I throw chi balls and that’s not all
I’m like an air attack.
But hey, let’s get this straight -
See I can't get a date
No matter who I slay.
I don’t mind the scorn,
I just download porn,
Hell yeah - that anime!
(But not that **** that’s gay)

Hey, I wish I could use my ninpo’s
To take out my foes.
But I’m not, don’t wanna get caught
By Master Orlando.
Otherwise, you’d feast your eyes
On a crazy violent floor show.
So I’ll eat my sushi
(‘Cause I can’t take kim chi)
And I’ll plot how not to get caught
When I go on my spree.
I’ll drop those grapplers
And those who think they’re worse,
Then we ninja, yeah I’ll have them wishin’
For a cute nurse.

Yeah, I wish I was little bit Asian,
'Cause I’m already of the ninja persuasion.

True.

</Spontaneous Singing>

The Sensei has a special emphasis on kicking because of his tae kwan do instruction:

Taekwondo...sensei...

KJOHUOPFHUASDDOFNHD!!!


Now if you want to look at all the different stuff in the curriculum look here http://www.sulsado.it/art.htm


Here is the weapons for you

SHORT STICK (HAN-BO) you find a stick everywhere
DOUBLE SHORT STICK
JO (SHORT STAFF) same thing
BO (LONG STAFF)
NUNCHAKU conceleable
DOUBLE NUNCHAKU
3 SECTION NUNCHAKU yea that's fancy
TONFA (STICKS WITH HANDLE) if you're into law enforcement
SAI (LONG DAGGERS) don't know the lenght
SHURIKEN (THROWING STARS) very conceleable
KAMA (SICKLES) possible to carry around
YARI (SPEAR) well fancy too
BOW if you like archery in italy it's common to see people carrying there in the mountains
ARROW
TANTO (KNIFE) hell if's that's conceleable and accessable
TWIN TANTOS
ROPE
KUSARI (CHAIN) also conceleable, some of them happend to have handles
SWORD
SHORT SWORD

If this is a Korean art...then why are all his weapon terms Chinese and Japanese?

To quote DerAuslander and bring some info on the "Sulsa Warriors" and Hwanrangdo:

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end of quote
Now say thanks to DerAuslander

You are my new favorite person. Thank you for saving me the time and effort.

So did any of you yet prove it is bullshido or are you just saying it is and looking for agreement?

I proved it is Bullshido a long time ago.

Hi guys!
I'm the little wako who actually knows Master Orlando in person. He teaches in Italy, but he's australian.
Now, I'd like to make one point clear: I'm not a ninjutsu fan and, no offense to anyone, but I really don't like korean styles (nothing against them, just don't like 'em)
I'm not sure of the origins of the art and I'd say demonstrations do try to be sensational. Then again, Master Orlando has never come up (at the best of my knowledge) with any bs. What he does is down to earth and potentially effective, plus he seems to be a good athlete. I'm not going to defend anything I don't know, but what I know is that Master Orlando is far from being a fake.