Also you are looking at ninjutsu an art that was used in feudal Japan so.

Are you acknowledging that the art used in feudal Japan has limited integration with the modern world?

You failed to respond to a couple points in my post...I'll wait for your response, but forgive me if I don't hold my breath.

You can call a folding pocket knife a tanto if it makes you happy. Personally, I live in American and I choose to speak American...yes, that was intentional.

If your friend is hiding daggers in his bracelets without a permit, he may be breaking the law. Just because you can hide something somewhere doesn't mean you should. I can think of a great place you can hide a splintery shinai, but I think you'd squirm.

Incidentally, to respond to your question in another thread - I study a rather misnamed Shaolin Kenpo. There are a couple of 'animal' movements throw in to the mix, but we're essentially a bunch of thieves - if it works and we like it, we'll steal it from you and incorporate it. Our sparring is kickboxing style (no points, usually 3 minute rounds) and upper belts go sparring-to-grappling. The guy who runs the school is a retired Navy senior chief and taught tactical communications and combat survival to SEALs (he was NOT a SEAL himself) as well as SERE school. One instructor has 8 or 9 years of bouncing experience in Montana, another has 30 years of law enforcement experience (and a BB in judo). That might be more than you wanted to know, but there it is...

Are you acknowledging that the art used in feudal Japan has limited integration with the modern world?

You failed to respond to a couple points in my post...I'll wait for your response, but forgive me if I don't hold my breath.

You can call a folding pocket knife a tanto if it makes you happy. Personally, I live in American and I choose to speak American...yes, that was intentional.

If your friend is hiding daggers in his bracelets without a permit, he may be breaking the law. Just because you can hide something somewhere doesn't mean you should. I can think of a great place you can hide a splintery shinai, but I think you'd squirm.

Incidentally, to respond to your question in another thread - I study a rather misnamed Shaolin Kenpo. There are a couple of 'animal' movements throw in to the mix, but we're essentially a bunch of thieves - if it works and we like it, we'll steal it from you and incorporate it. Our sparring is kickboxing style (no points, usually 3 minute rounds) and upper belts go sparring-to-grappling. The guy who runs the school is a retired Navy senior chief and taught tactical communications and combat survival to SEALs (he was NOT a SEAL himself) as well as SERE school. One instructor has 8 or 9 years of bouncing experience in Montana, another has 30 years of law enforcement experience (and a BB in judo). That might be more than you wanted to know, but there it is...


The art used in feudal japan is what it is, there are some things in alot of arts that are not practical today (sword, spear), you wanna apply it in the modern world depends what you wanna do with it, stealth survival can all be used hand to hand combat sure there are some parts of it that are maybe not applyable but they probably teach principals kind of like the sword in aikido.
I must have answered them somewhere else what points were you talking about the stick one? It's possible to find a stick if you don't that's y you are trained in unarmed combat.
As far as sparring with our Sensei being on call the emphasis now is on lower kyu's and we are being trained by a copple on nidans.I'm a lower kyu so I do not do the sparring that the dans do. But yes it has been done.
Now a tanto is just a knife you open a pocket knife you have a pretty good resemblance of a tanto.
For another thing he carries the daggers in italy, law enforcement is very different there

I'm giving this up as a lost cause. It's late and I have to work tomorrow. Good night, all, and good luck with your training, Lorhax. The good news is that it is a phase you will probably grow out of.

Day 1:

Dear Diary,

I was walking home from school today with Vampirefr34k and D1abl0 and we saw this hella s1ck poster advertising Ninjitsu classes. It said we could learn to be Ninjas, which is hecka cool. I copied the number from the poster down into my cellphone with the HIM logo on it and walked home. Mom got p1$$ed when i asked her if i could join. She said something about me being gay enough as it is. I called her a bitch (under my breath, of course). I swear my parents just don't understand me.

A little background 1nfo for you, diary: My dad tried to put me in football when i was in 8th grade, but i quite after a week when i got hit too hard and peed in my jockstrap. It was the worst day of my life. After that i changed my image and became a total badass. I started wearing all black and painted my nails. I would sometimes put white base makeup on, but had to stop when my mom caught me using hers. Anyway, the kids at school were totally freaked out by me, and left me alone. Even today i like to sit in class with my Slipknot hoodie on and listen to my walkman, and nobody messes with me. I'm just too dark and 3vil for these mere mortals. haha!! Anyway....

Im gonna go eat dinner and then talk to my internet girlfriend from the Phillipines for awhile and hit the coffin (bed! lolz). later Diary.



Day 4


Dear Diary,


I've done it. After much pleading with mom, she finally let me start training to be a real Ninja!! It's totally badass too. I was learning some stuff im kinda scared to talk about even with you, Diary. Sensei says its like, super top secret stuff str8 from the scrolls. I was learning how to kill people by hitting a point on their arm that will make them crap out their heart 2 days after being hit. Plus we got to throw stars, and we trained in how to use the Ninja sword. Sensei has the exact one i almost talked my dad into buying for me at the flea market last year. Of course dad said he wasn't paying $50 for something i would just use to carve up the neighbor's cat. Yeah right, dad. I'm part tiger anyway. That's what my mentor on the Vampire online game says. So why would i kill my own species?

Newayz, im gonna go watch American Ninja 4 that Sensei let me borrow. See ya l8trz, diary.



Day 10

Dear diary,

I caught my older sister Jamie making out with some guy in his car last night. I snuck up on them just like sensei trained me. I made a mask out of pieces of my old black Korn t-shirt that i don't like anymore. When i popped up beside the window they both screamed. It was hella sweet. He got out and said he was gonna kick my ass and i hit him right on the spot sensei showed me, so he should be crapping out his heart any day now. He might have given me a black eye, but im gonna be the 1 laughing tommorrow. That's all for today. I can't wait for class tommorrow!! We're gonna be studying shadow transferring.

P.S... I forgot..i cant go to class becuz Jamie told on me and im grounded for a week.




Day 20


Dear Diary,

Class was killer!!! We learned how to defend ourselfs against getting put on the ground, which is rilly useful becuz i see a lot of guys fight at school and one of them almost always tackles the other one to the ground and wins. Sensei says also that cage fighters do that stuff, but that we don't compete there becuz all of them are too skeered of us and won't let us in because of our deadly strikes and stuff. Maybe i should go in and just tell them that i do regular karate. haha!! I'd kick all there asses. Its not a half bad idea, either. Top prize is always a lot of money and im getting my drivers license soon, so i need to be getting a car. Mom's Corolla is just embarassing.


PS.. Jamie's boyfriend is still alive, so i might need a little more practice on hitting that pressure point. He's a total @sshole.

Hella cool... I like **** like this.

I'm giving this up as a lost cause. It's late and I have to work tomorrow. Good night, all, and good luck with your training, Lorhax. The good news is that it is a phase you will probably grow out of.

And what would be the problem that will go away once I "grow out" of my phase?

Master Orlando Shinobi lived in Sydney, Australia for over 20 years, where he began practicing Martial Arts.Training for many years in the Martial Arts of Tae Kwon Do and Hapkido, earning Master levels in both Korean Arts.
Later was selected for his skills to participate in Sul Sa Do training.Firstly introduced to this Korean art of Ninjutsu by Korean Grandmaster Tiger Kim 8th Dan Sul Sa Do.Grandmaster Tiger Kim is the 39th generation of this secret art which was passed on to him by his uncle General Jin-Tae Kim.
Since 1991, Master Orlando Shinobi moved to Rome, Italy; where he began teaching this secret art to selected students.
Master Orlando Shinobi teaches full time Sul Sa Do and believes that Martial Arts must be lived to be developed at its best.
Master Orlando Shinobi demonstrated his Sul Sa Do techniques at many major Martial Art and Sporting events in Italy, and has conducted his own television show called "Difendersi"; a program teaching the audience basic Self defence techniques of Sul Sa Do and showing his skills with Sul Sa Do spectacular breaking techniques, weapons, and acrobatic kicks.
Master Orlando Shinobi currently is a 6th Dan Black Belt in the Art of Sul Sa Do, 6th Dan taekwondo and 4th Dan in hapkido; Teaching in many gyms at Rome, Italy in the afternoon, and training Sul Sa Do in all of his spare time.


The guy's name is ORLANDO SHINOBI??
The Korean art of ninjustu?
I'm confused....

39th generation???

****, even the Bujinkan only claim 34 generations.

And what would be the problem that will go away once I "grow out" of my phase?
Simply put, a belief in bullshido. A reliance on what other people tell you to be true without critical examination. Question everything, Lorhax, especially history.

Interestingly enough, everywhere I looked on the net for this Sul Sa Do Korean Art, only led to the one place ... Orlando Shinobi...who I then found an old ad in a web page here



"Sulsado - Korean Ninjutsu
Master Orlando Vetrano, 5th Dan Black Belt in the Art of Sul Sa Do."

So Orlando Shinobi is really Orlando Vetrano...

So if there is no one else to teach this guy (as I found no Tiger Kim in the MArtial Arts Community teaching korean ninjutsu) who gave him the new dan rank?

I always wonder when I see a guy teaching a martial art, that he now claims to be the sole master of, and is a completely different nationality from the martial art origin, and seems to have no other fellow students running schools in any other part of the world, and it looks nothing like the arts from the country he claims it to have derived from.

39th generation???

****, even the Bujinkan only claim 34 generations.

maybe 5 had really, really, bad cholesterol...

Well done, Rubber Tanto (great name, by the way) - Your identification of Orlando Shinobi as Orlando Vetrano appears confirmed.
This is a member ID for a Hwarangdo forum which lists member "M° Orlando Vetrano" and his website "http://www.sulsado.it"

http://www.hwarangdo.net/phpBB2/profile.php?mode=viewprofile&u=648&sid=6191d2637c1b91a2b14ef096fd7228bc

There is another promising link on Google, but I'm not a member of martialtalk.com. This is a quote from the google search for "Orlando Vetrano."

Korean Styles List - Page 4 - MartialTalk.ComSul Sa Do
see www . sulsado . it for further reference . Orlando Shinobi is a old nick name real Name Orlando Vetrano . ...
www.martialtalk.com/forum/showthread.php?p=549855 - 97k - Supplemental Result -

To quote DerAuslander and bring some info on the "Sulsa Warriors" and Hwanrangdo:



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Originally Posted by imarubber
did'nt say that hwarangdo sword style is similar i meant that hwarangdo is the korean form of ninjutsu


Hwarangdo is Korean Kung Fu mixed with Daito-ryu Aikijujutsu, marginal Buddhist practice, and a bunch of **** pulled out of Lee Jobang's ass. Its continued existence is a bane upon the Korean martial arts, as well as legitimate research into KMA history.

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Originally Posted by imarubber
Neither the ancient hwarang warriors


The weren't warriors. They were youth training corps. Think the Boy Scouts, only for the nobility, and along with camping and knot tying, they learned esoteric Buddhism, kwonbup (Korean kempo, anyone?), archery, swordwork, poetry, Confucian rights and...

Oh yeah!

BUTT SEX!

I'm not kidding.

Why do you think only the most "beautiful" of the noble youth made the cut to join the "Flower Boys".

Oh yeah, the trained in the mountains too.

Anyone who makes the best Brokeback KMA joke in this thread will win a prize from me.

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Originally Posted by imarubber
nor the sulsa


The Sulsa never existed.

See my previous comment about Lee Jobang pulling **** out of his ass.

Quote:
Originally Posted by imarubber
hwarangdo as the martial art wasn't korean ninjutsu, nor was it even the actual art the Hwarang used. Hwarangdo is a martial art created in modern times.


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Originally Posted by imarubber
guess you never read the writings of micheal d echanis


Michael Echanis wrote three how-to manuals on Korean knife and stick work, supposedly based on ancient Hwarang principles.

Funny...it looks like really acrobatic DRAJJ to me.

He didn't write anything legitimate about KMA history.

Quote:
Originally Posted by imarubber
chuck sanders


So there were SpecOps guys who did Hwa Rang Do.

Wupdedo...I know a SpecOps guy who does Taiji.

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Originally Posted by imarubber
joo bang lee


Right.

Hapkido instructor who suddenly became the last holder of an unverifiable lineage of ancient KMA that suspiciously resembles DRAJJ and Korean Kung Fu thrown together...and who's curriculum is almost identical to Kuksool, who then goes on to create possibly the most cult-like KMA in existence.

Ninja please...

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Originally Posted by imarubber
joo sang lee


The brother of the above. Used to teach Hapkido.

He doesn't teach anything any more. Last I heard there was bad blood between him and his brother, he quit teaching martial arts, and the last thing I heard about him he was selling carpet.

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Now say thanks to DerAuslander

Strangely enough Sulsa, depending on how it is written, can also be translated as diarrhea in Korean. SulsaDo, the way of diarrhea, how appropriate.

lmoa - The way of diarrhea?
"Hey, punk, gimme your wallet or I'll cut your face. What the...what is that running down your leg? Did you just **** yourself? Oh, ****, I'm outta here..."

I think there is a legit technique here somewhere...You manuver behind your passively unresisting opponent and apply the Brokeback Mounting. It's too dangerous for use in MMA, of course, but a secret ninja master I met when I was five told me that it's been widely used on the down-low circuit...

There are some guys that actually do Ninjutsu (the crap that works) I think I have met one guy who is a student but I didn't check out the actual class I just met him at a seminar.
Nonetheless ninjutsu before the whole MCDojonism was an actual good and effective fighting art so I mean there is gotta be somebody around that can still teach the damn think.
The closest thing I found was Sulsado wich is Korean Ninjutsu, the school I found is in Rome, Italy and there is no bullshit about that. The teacher is been training martial arts since he could walk and I mean the guy can do a crapload of stuff (and his students can too) my best friend use to fight in the octagon (he is also trained in a few martial arts plus alot of free fighting) and him and his brother (who does sulsado) have alot of nice "sparring/beatthecrapouttaeachother" encounters and the effectiveness of his brother's style is undiscussed.

Hence my hope of an actual Ninjutsu guy coming into the story teaching him the real stuff and our hero starting to kick ass. Cause I think Shinkegata was running outta material by having him always getting his ass kicked or in trouble.

(I Also love happy endings :))

Lorhax



STOP crapping up this awesome story with your "ninjutsu....was an actual good and effective fighting art" crap. Start your own thread if you want to claim that!

I mean really.... "been training martial arts since he could walk" .... is insulting to the intelligence of everyone not named "Coda" or "Tiger*lay".

Keep your crap out of this great thread!

Oh, I don't know...I think this is a great place to expose people who are going to read the story and go, "Whew, it's a good thing the scrolls my sifu has are about teh RAEL ninpojitsu-do and I'm not totally deluded like that kid was..."

But I agree that it detracts from the sweetness that is the Diary.