Did FoM say anything about a "big hunk of steak"? There's nothing wrong with healthy beef. My family buys a grass-fed cow every summer. I eat red meat once a week, on Sundays with a bottle of Lodi Zinfandel...if only I smoked cigars.

As far as I know, red meat is still the best source of methionine, which is a vital protein.

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."

Whoa. OK YOU BASTARD, IF THAT'S TRUE, I HAVE BUT ONE QUESTION...

HOW COME EVERYONE IN ITALY ISN'T A DIABETIC!

When Stold2 comes back...he's gonna kick your ass...









...BJJ huh? I knew I liked that guy.

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."

Alright, my percocet is kicking in, but be I will return to have more pointless battles of words.

I'm not trying to say that pasta CAUSES diabetes. There are many ways in which the Italian diet differs considerably from the American. My girlfriend learned to cook in Naples, and lived in Naples and Genoa for a little over a year. Italian cooking is not all pasta. AND...it's very common for Europeans to engage in moderate levels of exercise (walks etc.) in greater frequency than Americans, though Americans who DO work out are some of the hardest working-out people in the world. It's been shown that moderate levels of exercise can really improve your body's ability to regulate sugar levels.

Anyone who's dealing with a weight problem should simply avoid breads and pastas as much as possible. Unfortunately, this is ot what most Americans do. When they go on a diet, they cut out red meat...and then eat "lean" pasta. Especially women. It's fucking insanity.

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."

I've cut back on my carbs in general and I feel great.

You really have to think how people ate 30,000 years ago, and ask yourself if our digestive system has involved at all since then.

The answer, I'm pretty sure is no.

Don't get me wrong, pasta is awesome. But just don't eat too much of it. Once a week, in a modest portion should be fine.

Eating meat, fruit, and veggies is more of a rule of thumb to make diet choices easier than anything.

If you've got the time to research your diet in-depth, even better.

I only listen to the original Stold.
I accept no imitations.

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El Guapo says, ""You can buy muscles, but you can't buy COJONES!"
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Type 1 diabetes

The incidence of type 1 diabetes in children younger than 15 years of age has been extensively reported, but few data, and none from Europe, are currently available on the incidence of type 1 diabetes in older age groups. In the Mediterranean and neighbouring areas the incidence rates of type 1 diabetes under the age of 15 years show wide variations. In Italy the incidence of type 1 diabetes in children aged 0-14 years is 6-11.7 (per 100,000 per year), while in Sardinia the incidence is 34.4, one of the highest in Europe (3). In general, the highest incidence is among subjects aged 10-14 years and the lowest in children aged 0-5 years for both genders. However an earlier incidence peak in children aged 5-9 years is a common feature of insular Italian areas, but not of Northern Italy (3). In France, Levy-Marchal showed that the annual diabetes incidence rates for 1988 and 1995 were 7.17 and 9.28 per 100,000, respectively; this study included 2 million subjects younger than 20 years of age (4). Similar results have been reported in Spain (8-10.9 per 100,000 per year), in Croatia and Slovenia (7.2 and 7.6 per 100,000 per year, respectively) (3). The incidence in the Mediterranean countries is different from the incidence in Northern Europe; indeed in Finland, Tuomilehto et al reported that for children younger than 14 years, the annual incidence rate in 2000 was 45 per 100,000 (5). In contrast with other European countries, the incidence of the disease in the Mediterranean area does not follow any geographical pattern.



Type 2 diabetes

Type 2 diabetes is the major component of the worldwide diabetes epidemic. King et al. (2) reported that the prevalence of diabetes in adults aged 20 years and over was 7.5% in 1995, 7.8% in 2000 and will be 10% in 2025 in Italy. Also in Spain the prevalence of diabetes will rise from 7.2% in 1995 to 9.5% in 2025. In contrast, the same authors reported that in France and in Croatia there will be only a moderate increase in the prevalence of diabetes in the adult population: from 2.1% in 1995 and 2000 to 2.6% in 2025 in France and from 4.4 to 5.1% in Croatia (2). In these countries, as in all developed world, the majority of people with diabetes is aged ³ 65 years. This study was based on 5 year age and sex specific prevalence rates, from rural and urban areas of various countries. Inclusion criteria were: diagnosis of diabetes made according to the recommendations of WHO expert groups (plasma venous concentration of 11 mmol/L 2 h after a 75 g oral glucose challenge).

http://www.mgsd.net/uk/page5450.asp


HAHA! 0wned!!!!



"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."

Okay it's hardly conclusive...but...

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."

Bah, that is hardly everyone. I find it interesting how they can predict the diabetic percentage in 2025 when it's 2003! Amazing it is!(bullshit)
Hell, these are the american statistics:

Age 20 years or older: 16.9 million. 8.6 percent of all people in this age group have diabetes.

Age 65 years or older: 7 million. 20.1 percent of all people in this age group have diabetes.

Men: 7.8 million. 8.3 percent of all men have diabetes.

Women: 9.1 million. 8.9 percent of all women have diabetes.

Alright, now typing is really getting tough, we shall continue this tomorrow

And herein lies the rub. ****.

I always thought that, once I got out on my own, I'd be able to eat well. I love chicken. I love fruit. I love green vegetable. I trim the fat off my red meat and always mop up visible grease. I can survive eating sweets once a month or less. All my favorite snack foods are low-fat.

THEN comes Wastrel, swaggering about in his fancy-ass new hat, shaking his finger and saying "So you like your carbs, do you? Yeah Aaron, you can have ALLLLL the carbs you want. Just...don't get carried away once you contract diabetes! MUA HAW HAW HAW HAW".

I hate you, Wastrel. I want my blood AND my bosom back.

Always go swimming with a buddy
Work real hard and always study

Phrost:
You really have to think how people ate 30,000 years ago, and ask yourself if our digestive system has involved at all since then.

The answer, I'm pretty sure is no.


I totally agree.
Based on what you've posted before, I take it you believe ancient man used creatine, glutamine and meal replacement shakes in order for him to successfully hunt down those woolly mammoths. :)


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El Guapo says, ""You can buy muscles, but you can't buy COJONES!"
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Stold3,
I was just kidding man. I just thought it was funny to dig up that article. You have to admit that whipping Italy out of your back pocket was pretty silly too.

Boyd,
I'm sorry? Um...you eat pasta don't you?

"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."

Hey, like I said above, it's just a rule of thumb to keep things simple, and if you've got the resources to pursue a diet that's better geared toward your goals, using the latest information and research, even better.

Adding extra Creatine, a substance found in meat, to your diet is just a simpler form of... eating more meat.

The moment primitive man had the luxury of worrying about the quality of his diet as it was reflected in his physique, he was probably well beyond the need to worry about where his next food source would be, and consequently, no longer primative.

Getting back to the topic at hand, I found a book that seems pretty good; "The complete book of abs" by Kurt Brungardt (1995).

It's got some sections on nutrition, training, and lifestyle, as well as several dozen different types of ab exercises, grouped according to muscles used, difficulty, and risk of back injury (ranging from waaaay too easy to some you simply can't do without a fair bit of training before hand). They also have some good routines, as well as routines followed by some pro-sports teams (at the time anyways). Each exercise has pictures, and an explantion of how to do it right.

A couple years ago I worked through one of the programs, and had very good success... was doing and seeing things I had never seen before. As mentioned numerous times here already, burning extra body fat is essential to getting a six-pick. I was also surprised at how few repetitions are needed when you do the right exercises with the proper technique; I don't think any of the routines have you doing more than 45-60 reps... most working up to the 20-25 range. If you're doing several hundred reps, I'd seriously be thinking:

a) how hard can this exercise be/how much good does each rep do?
and
b) Wouldn't it make more sense to find a more difficult exercise or somehow increase the resistance on this one rather than spending 45 minutes doing an exercise with little/no effort required? That's more like doing cardio - and there are a lot of better ways of doing that. I mean if we were benching a weight that allowed us 200 reps, wouldn't it be time to increase the weight?

I'd take a look at this book; it was the first and only one I've ever bought.