Mr Fools, sir,
Even those who are aware of what an exceptional martial artist Mr. Ryabko is through personal experience are well aware that he is not visually impressive. Even those who have left other styles to train in systema and who have complete confidence in its worth are well aware that much of what Ryabko does LOOKS LIKE... well, fake bullshit. Can you hold it against anyone who, years ago, thought Royce Gracie looked like crap-- man hugging and laying on the ground and calling it fighting? Did it look good to those who hadn't trained in it? No. But was Gracie an exceptional martial artist? Of course. So I understand why you feel the way you do. But you do not have the experience to really argue effectively here, because you are pitting your opinion of youtube clips against the experience of thousands of systema students.

I don't know if anybody has watched this yet but its a documentary on systema, i think some pieces are missing but it does answer a good amount of questions especially on the purposes of some of the training practices

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdwixkJqG_Q
this is the first one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq_4z-Neko
the second one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecljbWmAqpo
and the third, COSSACKS

Mr Fools, sir,
Even those who are aware of what an exceptional martial artist Mr. Ryabko is through personal experience are well aware that he is not visually impressive.

And yet he's one of the greatest martial artists of all time right? :eusa_sick


Even those who have left other styles to train in systema and who have complete confidence in its worth are well aware that much of what Ryabko does LOOKS LIKE... well, fake bullshit.

You'd think that fact would be an obvious one.


Can you hold it against anyone who, years ago, thought Royce Gracie looked like crap-- man hugging and laying on the ground and calling it fighting?

Grappling is effective against opponents that have never trained against it.


Did it look good to those who hadn't trained in it? No. But was Gracie an exceptional martial artist? Of course. So I understand why you feel the way you do.

Nice try, but grappling sciences are easily understood through visual observation. They can be replicated and reproduced to varying degrees of success depending on the experience and knowledge of the individual utilizing it. The same cannot be stated of systema. For one, you distance yourself whenever possible from systema footage and insist anyone viewing the material not to judge it. Two, if this tact does not work, you then create the argument that outsiders are simply too stupid to comprehend the "drills" or demonstrations being show on the footage. Three, systema while making wild claims of no/contact takedowns or knockouts within their own circle are then asked about such claims, actively spin lies telling us how we again misunderstood systema's intentions. As far as I am able to tell, brazilian jujitsu does none of this.


But you do not have the experience to really argue effectively here, because you are pitting your opinion of youtube clips against the experience of thousands of systema students.

When I have an example of a noted systema instructor, Arkadiy Stepankovskiy, getting himself killed, why should I care what a thousand other drones - of lesser skill - in the this farcial art believe.

I don't know if anybody has watched this yet but its a documentary on systema, i think some pieces are missing but it does answer a good amount of questions especially on the purposes of some of the training practices

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdwixkJqG_Q
this is the first one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq_4z-Neko
the second one

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecljbWmAqpo
and the third, COSSACKS

Gee, what an objective look at systema....

hree, systema while making wild claims of no/contact takedowns or knockouts within their own circle are then asked about such claims, actively spin lies telling us how we again misunderstood systema's intentions.

But they never specifically SAID they did.

Grappling is effective against opponents that have never trained against it.
Grappling! Yes! Such as that which systema students train extensively in.

Nice try, but grappling sciences are easily understood through visual observation.
Again, see above.

When I have an example of a noted systema instructor, Arkadiy Stepankovskiy, getting himself killed, why should I care what a thousand other drones - of lesser skill - in the this farcial art believe.
While all of your statements up until this point were obviously not the renderings of an especially bright mind, at least your statements were typical and understandable, but this just crosses into the realm of absolute idiocy. Stepanovskiy was shot. An attacker with a gun tends to have an advantage. I guess that if he were a BJJ student, it's a near certaintly that he would have closed the distance and submitted his attacker. I cannot tell you how mentally retarded that argument makes you look. I was mistaken for attempting to reason with you, because you're merely trying to defend a conclusion which does not respond to reason. And the fact that you will sink to the level of that last statement makes that clear. That is the kind of muck that no adult can take seriously.

Grappling! Yes! Such as that which systema students train extensively in.

Again, see above.

You missed my point completely, not that I'm surprised given a brainwashed mentality.


While all of your statements up until this point were obviously not the renderings of an especially bright mind, at least your statements were typical and understandable, but this just crosses into the realm of absolute idiocy. Stepanovskiy was shot. An attacker with a gun tends to have an advantage. I guess that if he were a BJJ student, it's a near certaintly that he would have closed the distance and submitted his attacker. I cannot tell you how mentally retarded that argument makes you look. I was mistaken for attempting to reason with you, because you're merely trying to defend a conclusion which does not respond to reason. And the fact that you will sink to the level of that last statement makes that clear. That is the kind of muck that no adult can take seriously.

The real truth ->

2 slayings weren't shootings as first thought, autopsy finds

Published March 9, 2005

Autopsies performed Tuesday determined that the two men found behind a Wheeling shopping center had been beaten and stabbed to death, officials said. oman A. Drobetskiy, 34, of the 400 block of Marvin Place in Wheeling, died of multiple stab wounds in a homicide, said a spokeswoman for the Cook County medical examiner.

Arkadiy Stepankovskiy, 29, of the 9200 block of West Emerson Street, Des Plaines, died of multiple injuries from an assault, also a homicide, the spokeswoman said.

Would you care to try again genius?

An attacker with a gun tends to have an advantage.

Yes, so why make the odds even worse by learning Systema?

Here's a clip of Systema gun defence with some knife defence thrown in at the end for even more giggles. This one mainly features Vlad... while I find him funny he doesn't make my sides split like Rybako. I'll try and dig up some more Rybako footage later on if I feel up to going through more videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPO_MZvCI_I

Yes, so why make the odds even worse by learning Systema?

Here's a clip of Systema gun defence with some knife defence thrown in at the end for even more giggles. This one mainly features Vlad... while I find him funny he doesn't make my sides split like Rybako. I'll try and dig up some more Rybako footage later on if I feel up to going through more videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPO_MZvCI_I

Are you kidding me, hats are always a great defense for stripping a firearm out of an attackers hands.

As for the sunglasses vs knife, Stepankovskiy was killed eary morning, therefore he probably didn't have his sunglasses at the time. Poor chap. :icon_mrgr

Yes, so why make the odds even worse by learning Systema?

Here's a clip of Systema gun defence with some knife defence thrown in at the end for even more giggles. This one mainly features Vlad... while I find him funny he doesn't make my sides split like Rybako. I'll try and dig up some more Rybako footage later on if I feel up to going through more videos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPO_MZvCI_I

LOLZ..oh man, Vlad, Ryabko, and RobG will give you a sound beating my man. Yuk it up all you want, but they can kick your ass.

LOLZ..oh man, Vlad, Ryabko, and RobG will give you a sound beating my man. Yuk it up all you want, but they can kick your ass.

Yes, the systema footage makes that threat all the more convincing now doesn't it?

Wasn't Rob suppossed to meet up with KFS? Whatever happened to that?

Yes, the systema footage makes that threat all the more convincing now doesn't it?

What's that? Oh you're a virtual warrior? You didn't have to be cute with it and suggest it.

Bye troll

LOLZ..oh man, Vlad, Ryabko, and RobG will give you a sound beating my man. Yuk it up all you want, but they can kick your ass.

If any systema guys want to spar me at a throwdown, I'll oblige them. I'm not threatening anyone or anything like that, It's just people keep prattling on about needing to experience systema first hand and I'd be happy to be a non-compliant test subject.

Wasn't Rob suppossed to meet up with KFS? Whatever happened to that?

What happened was that KungFools realized he's a virtual warrior and a troll all packed into one sad man.

If any systema guys want to spar me at a throwdown, I'll oblige them. I'm not threatening anyone or anything like that, It's just people keep prattling on about needing to experience systema first hand and I'd be happy to be a non-compliant test subject.

Sure, there are many practitioners in the UK. Plus, Valentin Vasiliev and Sergei Ozherliev (sp?) usually come down for seminars. As a matter of fact, Mikhail and Vlad go there, probably once a year.