Hugo is not a bjj bb infact his style luta livre was practically the arch nemesis for bjj back in his hay day.
Tank had also been boxing for a few decades and wrestling since he was 13 or so.
Edit: Rats, didn't notice someone beat me to it
MONGO
6/14/2006 6:00pm,
The thing is, BJJ and its positions forced a change in Judo, shooto and even MMA applicable wrestling because in the beginning it was winning. It affected MMA as a whole, even shooto here in Japan.
edit: cause I sux at the grammerz
KhorneliusPraxx
6/14/2006 6:12pm,
The thing is, BJJ and its positions forced a change in Judo, shooto and even MMA applicable wrestling because in the beginning. It affected MMA as a whole, even shooto here in Japan.
somebody had to say it.
Phrost
6/14/2006 6:39pm,
When did 9chambers become a douche, or have I just been missing it?
Boyd
6/14/2006 6:45pm,
Much as how Royce, a good fighter by 1993 standards, is hopelessly obsolete in 2006, 9Chambers' posting simply hasn't evolved since 2003.
Shuma-Gorath
6/14/2006 6:58pm,
When did 9chambers become a douche, or have I just been missing it?
http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=9463&page=2
Phrost
6/14/2006 7:01pm,
Much as how Royce, a good fighter by 1993 standards, is hopelessly obsolete in 2006, 9Chambers' posting simply hasn't evolved since 2003.
True. If nobody had changed since back then...
Osiris would still be headbutting people in the chest.
Shuma-Gorath would be espousing the attributes of Karate.
PizDoff would only have 15,000 posts instead of 899287340923
And I would still be of the opinion that Wing Chun had some marginally redeeming qualities.
Shuma-Gorath
6/14/2006 7:38pm,
Shuma-Gorath would be espousing the attributes of Karate.
I still do, but I never bothered doing it every time someone makes fun of it.
CanucKyokushin
6/14/2006 7:46pm,
On the BJJ'wess question.
When we're talking about nutrider's in BJJ.Are we just talking about white belts here?And also,do they realise that they're idiots at what belt?
MONGO
6/14/2006 7:56pm,
I don't think there was much of a claim of superiority over Shooto or other established grappling that has contests. There are a number of successful BJJers in Subgrappling, MMA and other contests, just as there are a number of unsuccessful ones.
What BJJ does do is work very well against people who don't have the experience on the same experience on the ground. Kung fu, Aikido and other such people that are constantly saying that they have the 'grapple from Kata' or 'I read a book and know I can beat a ground humper'......Those types deserve to be flamed........
And 9Chambers falls into both of those categories. He trains in his backyard for MMA with his romo buddies and he studies Judo, Wrestling, and BJJ on the side (no official instruction). He is a quintessential CRAPPLER and deserves persecution for commenting on grappling or pretending that he can comment its effectiveness of MMA or any other combat sport.
Hell, I'm a diehard Judo nutrider and even I realize what BJJ has doing for grappling.
Shuma-Gorath
6/14/2006 8:00pm,
9chambers has been declared Enemy of the State. Also, MONGO, please retrieve your award from post #13.
Olorin
6/14/2006 10:34pm,
9chambers has been declared Enemy of the State.
We need to expand the definition of LARPing to include bad Internet gimmicks.
Shuma-Gorath
6/14/2006 10:43pm,
We need to expand the definition of LARPing to include bad Internet gimmicks.
Faux-intellectuals like yourself are indeed engaging in a form of roleplaying, but I wouldn't go so far as to call you a gimmick.
9chambers
6/14/2006 11:20pm,
Boyd,
>Much as how Royce, a good fighter by 1993
>standards, is hopelessly obsolete in 2006,
>9Chambers' posting simply hasn't evolved
>since 2003.
That could be correct. I haven't posted or read all that much in here since then. I just saw how the Gracies responded to Matt Hughes beating Royce (saying Hughes won because he used BJJ) and saw the thread where the guy was bragging about how a high school wrestler was getting schooled in his BJJ school so I thought people could maybe use a review.
How many BJJ guys (who haven't wrestled) are going to walk into a college wrestling club and beat everybody under wrestling rules? Wrestlers shouldn't get laughed at or abused when they come into a BJJ school and don't win under BJJ rules. Not when their style has done so well in MMA competition. A kid who has 3 or 4 years of experience in any grappling art deserves to be treated with a little dignity. He shouldn't be expected to cow tow to all the BJJ people. Treat him like someone who is brilliant in another language but doesn't speak English. ... My comment mysteriously got deleted in that thread. This is pretty much what I said in it.
Mongo,
This thread is the first time I've seen you unless you had another name before. I'm not sure why you feel like you're qualified to act like you know me. Try at least arguing with me for a while before you resort to name calling. Because you've done nothing to dispute the points I made. You just resorted to name calling. If that had an effect on me I'd have quit coming here years ago.
I make sense. You don't. In an argument, that's all that matters. I win. You lose. In a fight, that's all that matters. Rank, patches and a big mouth don't make you anybody. Telling the guy where you trained isn't going to make him submit. It's how well you know the techniques that matters in a discussion or a fight. That's all that matters. That's all the qualification anybody needs in order to feel like he has a right to say whatever he wants. In an Internet forum, you win by presenting a better argument. You should set that as a personal goal.
MONGO
6/14/2006 11:46pm,
I have read some of your other posts and you admit to not having any formal education in an art you are supposedly judging.
I do not have a problem with with analysis of what grappling arts add to MMA but it is completely retarded for people to not realize that BJJ is a formidable art within full contact fighting and subgrappling.
I have read enough of what you have written to understand that you have no base to performing a comparison of what makes a good grappling base for MMA. Seeing as you are neither a MMAist or a grappler.
9chambers
6/15/2006 12:01am,
I'm sorry if I somehow gave you the impression that I think BJJ isn't formidable. All I said was that BJJ hasn't been proven more formidable than wrestling in MMA competition. The stats don't lie.
I'm not trying to slam on BJJ. I am just pointing out that BJJ is not magical. It's a good grappling art among other good grappling arts. The guard and mount strategy from BJJ has been adopted as fairly standard in MMA competition. That's a fairly big contribution. I just don't see it as a more important contribution than the round kick or knees or the clinch from Muay Thai. I don't see it as more important than the single leg takedown, underhooks or those dynamic suplexes and hip tosses from wrestling. Also, BJJ owes Judo and Japanese Jiu jitsu some credit for coming up with all of their subs in the first place. A lot of different arts have contributed to MMA. I don't see BJJ as playing a bigger part than the others. People who study BJJ have no reason to be anything but humble and friendly like everyone else. You guys aren't special. Relax.
