Your *ing skills ... are extra ordinary.

Your *ing skills ... are extra ordinary.

Thank god it didn't take me 10 years percolating in a cellar cleaning bedpans and emptying colonoscopy bags.

Just a review for those just tuning in and too lazy to check out the whole thread.


9chambers wrote:

It's clear that wrestlers were doing better than BJJ stylists even before wrestlers knew all the BJJ strategies and submissions. If the Gracie family wants to gloat about how wrestlers like Matt Hughes only win because they know BJJ then maybe they should take all the takedowns they learned from wrestlers out of BJJ. Maybe they should also ask themselves why they didn't have a better record than wrestlers back in 1998 and still don't today.

Both BJJ and Wrestling are effective and necessary components of MMA competition. I'm tired of BJJ stylists acting like they have some magic power. Without Muay Thai, kickboxing, boxing, Wrestling, Sambo, Judo, etc. we wouldn't have the MMA we have today. BJJ is not a greater part than these other parts.

It's great that the Gracie family started having Vale Tudo and UFC tournaments back in the day and everything. We owe them for that. However, their contribution to the actual game is not larger than anyone else's. BJJ didn't invent the arm bar, the triangle, the Kimura, the RNC or the single-leg takedown. All that stuff was around before BJJ existed. The only really significant contribution of BJJ to the fighting game is the guard and mount strategy. Also, the accompanying sweeps. The Gracie family did not invent groundfighting. ...

What I'm saying is that BJJ stylists need to quit being so cocky and join the rest of us who love learning as much as we can from as many people as we can. MMA has evolved past the point where style snobs can avoid looking stupid. BJJ is not a more integral part of MMA competition than any other part. BJJ stylists shouldn't act like they own the sport. They don't. They never have.


9chambers wrote:

This thread is going nowhere. I'm not going to back down because I know I'm right. I've done this stuff and it has worked. You aren't going to back down because you are nutriders. You think you know what I'm talking about but have no clue. You won't understand it until you see it in action. ... You've said everything over and over. We don't agree. The end.

While you have a good point, because you obtained your point from somewhere else. No one has discounted it. The only thing in question is your ability to assess grappling skill as far as positional dominance, submissions and what exactly BJJ has contributed to MMA.

Many people advocate wrestling, BJJ and Judo, you are not being unique in that respect.

Some of your ideas are full of ****, that is why this has gone on for so many pages.

Your position as a crappler makes you unqualified.......

What 9chambers says is facile when not horribly mistaken.

I look forward, with wisely unbated breath, to the MMA debut of his revolutionary 'pull mount' strategy. As do my friends in the plastic surgery industry.

After reading this entire thread...I am spent.

After reading this entire thread...I am spent.
Did you finally whittle it down to a stump?

The simple fact that I have highlighted, italicized, and bolded you're own fucking quote boggles my mind.And yet you ignore the text preceeding your bolded portion: "This most commonly will be found in a bjj school."
If I were in Albequrque (sp) I would train at Jacksons. If I were in IA I would train at MFS. Most other places I'd look probably look to bjj schools for ground grappling schools.
THOUGH AS FUCKING MENTIONED IT WOULD BE GREAT IF MORE JUDO PLACES WERE ENCOURAGED BY KARO'S SUCCESS AND SOMEWHAT SHIFTED THEIR FOCUS TO SUBWRESTLING SINCE THERE IS MORE JUDO AROUND. HELL, THAT MIGHT MAKE BJJ CHEAPER TOO.


Now as per that last quote, BJJ does not advocate a positional hierarchy, like I've stated for the 4 th fucking time. Even another BJJ artist just told you that. It teaches you how to fight from any position and to secure a dominant position rather than give it up for a submission attempt.And we disagree on that. BJJ trains you to fight from any position because **** happens. BJJ currently also trains and advocates a positional hierarchy, despite also offering offensive options from the bottom as well.

AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT "MOST" SCHOOLS ADVOCATED 10 YEARS AGO. HOWEVER MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CARLSON ALWAYS ADVOCATED FIGHTING FROM THE TOP AND THE ADVANTAGE OF THE TOP IS EXPLICIT IN THE BJJ POINT SYSTEM.

The fact that you're finding anything to argue with in these points makes me think you've been hit in the head too many times.

And yet you ignore the text preceeding your bolded portion: "This most commonly will be found in a bjj school."
If I were in Albequrque (sp) I would train at Jacksons. If I were in IA I would train at MFS. Most other places I'd look probably look to bjj schools for ground grappling schools.
THOUGH AS FUCKING MENTIONED IT WOULD BE GREAT IF MORE JUDO PLACES WERE ENCOURAGED BY KARO'S SUCCESS AND SOMEWHAT SHIFTED THEIR FOCUS TO SUBWRESTLING SINCE THERE IS MORE JUDO AROUND. HELL, THAT MIGHT MAKE BJJ CHEAPER TOO.

And we disagree on that. BJJ trains you to fight from any position because **** happens. BJJ currently also trains and advocates a positional hierarchy, despite also offering offensive options from the bottom as well.

AGAIN, I DON'T KNOW WHAT "MOST" SCHOOLS ADVOCATED 10 YEARS AGO. HOWEVER MY UNDERSTANDING IS THAT CARLSON ALWAYS ADVOCATED FIGHTING FROM THE TOP AND THE ADVANTAGE OF THE TOP IS EXPLICIT IN THE BJJ POINT SYSTEM.

The fact that you're finding anything to argue with in these points makes me think you've been hit in the head too many times.


**** you **** you **** you ****.....had to get that out of my system.


Now, they may do that thanks to styles like wrestling, judo and SAMBO. Like I said before. I never said that it isn't most commonly found these days at BJJ schools, but it isn't found ONLY in BJJ schools. Get it? We as submission fighters, grapplers, MMA fighters, JJJ, Judoka, SAMBOist, Combat wrestlers, AJJ, and any other type of grappling name you can fucking think of, would really appreciate if the BJJ guys on here would include us as a community , not falling under the name BJJ. Because BJJ is a specific style and not an all encompassing category. I swear if I ever get on the mat with you again I'm going to drop you on your fucking head.....

Nowhere did I say it was found "only" anywhere. In fact I said the opposite.
In other words, you're a dipshit.
And from what I hear, if I wear a gi I'll probably be okay :)

And I think it terribly amusing that the big bad pro-MMA fighter got his wittle feelings hurt.

And I think it terribly amusing that the big bad pro-MMA fighter got his wittle feelings hurt.


::: middle finger ::::


If you wear a gi?

My feelings aren't hurt.....

It's just frustrating that I actually had to spend 5 pages to explain myself because you don't fucking get it. I got your point ages ago but you were missing my point by a mile.

:ohyeah:

Your point: Conflating grappling with bjj annoys you.
Fine. Despite your selective bolding of text I didn't do that.

Omega, no one here actually disagrees with you.

And? I felt like venting. That's my perogative.

:jerk:

That's my perogative.
You're just like Bobby Brown.