Yrkoon, you really are getting confused here. Are you sure you have worked security? Why on earth would it be completely different in the US to how it is here in the UK. Here troublemakers are routinely ko'd. It is SOP. Why on earth would you start grappling with a guy when you don't know if he has friends or is carrying? I don't buy it for a second.

Here are some quotes from the confrontation philosophy outlined by you earlier in the thread:


What I am saying is that this crap sounds way too much like over-analyzing, intellectualizing, and generally figuring out the best way to 'almost fight'.


If you are going to fight, then fight. Don't stand there trying to look intimidating while trying not to look intimidating, playing mind games, and over-thinking the situation.


**** that. If you arent willing to fight when you need to you should just lay the **** down.


I'll go ahead and give you the secret: I learned it in the 7th grade. Punch first. Be the guy who gets off first, and keep going, don't admire your work. That's it. Streetfighting 101.

And the best of all, to TCDD, law enforcement officer:


You are clearly never going to understand what I am trying to say. The difference is that I don't care.


The UK can kiss my ass, honestly. I don't give a **** about your personal problems.

Look, I know it is fun for you to pretend you are a grown man and that you are really tough, but please, you have to know when to stop. To try and portray this contrary rubbish (vs the softly softly approach you are taking now) as the words of a security professional is ludicrous and offensive to those who actually have to do the job.Personally I respect guys like TCDD who work as policemen. It is a very difficult job. I often used to liase with the police regarding drug dealers and other criminals and consequently they respected me and my team.

The bottom line is that the fence is a very flexible concept that allows the non violent mouthy patron to leave a situation while the person who means actual harm gets knocked out. It is simple but brutally effective. Everything is based off their touch on your fence and walking into your pre-loaded shot. It is simple. Your macho BS is anything but and will get you hurt in real confrontations, I'm sorry.

Your macho BS is anything but and will get you hurt in real confrontations, I'm sorry.


So will LARPing a fence before you know how to fight.


Suckerpunching a few people may work for you. But, KOing a bunch of drunken retards isn't exactly a resounding demonstration of the effectiveness of a concept such as the fence. I suspect might not know the difference.

Why on earth would it be completely different in the US to how it is here in the UK. Here troublemakers are routinely ko'd. It is SOP. Why on earth would you start grappling with a guy when you don't know if he has friends or is carrying? I don't buy it for a second.

This shows a vast ignorance of US custom. I've never worked Club security but i have worked Concert security and worked with a lot of guys that did Club security. Punching people in the face is the last thing you want to do as a bouncer in the US. There is really no argument to make on that. If you have to punch someone in the face as a bouncer in the US you screwed up and you probably won't work there much longer.

UK laws must be totally different.

Well ok then, my threads should only be taken in regards to European security, which I have direct experience of.

I worked in the US (Chicago) for a while, but not as a bouncer so it is possible your laws prohibit my preferred methods.

What is LARPing by the way?

If this is another meaningless dig Tom, I'll just stick you on ignore. You are obviously a troll.

UK laws must be totally different.
As far as I know they are, but not in favour of authority. Hence the chavs.


Well ok then, my threads should only be taken in regards to European security, which I have direct experience of.

I worked in the US (Chicago) for a while, but not as a bouncer so it is possible your laws prohibit my preferred methods.
Funny how your scope keeps shrinking.

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Speaking of US/UK differences...

Well ok then, my threads should only be taken in regards to European security, which I have direct experience of.

I worked in the US (Chicago) for a while, but not as a bouncer so it is possible your laws prohibit my preferred methods.


The interesting thing about this is the American methods mentioned will work in Europe, whereas what you advocate is not universal.




And, if you want to put me on your ignore list, that's fine with me. However, keep in mind what this means is that my responses which shred holes in your arguments will still be read by everyone else. But, since you won't see it, you will no longer be able to offer any sort of rebuttal in your attempts to save whatever position you put forth.

Of course, given some of your past attempts at rebuttal, not responding may actually be a better course of action for you.


LARP = Live Action Role Play. My comment is one which tries to further define what audience is appropriate for "the fence". The only way me stating this in the fashion I did would be a "dig" would be if you yourslef actually can't fight and/or are insecure in your fighting abilities - and thus, are a LARPer who doesn't have the sense to know he is LARPing.

Yrkoon, you really are getting confused here. Are you sure you have worked security? Why on earth would it be completely different in the US to how it is here in the UK. Here troublemakers are routinely ko'd. It is SOP. Why on earth would you start grappling with a guy when you don't know if he has friends or is carrying? I don't buy it for a second.

I am beginning to think some brain damage has occurred, and it wasn't YOU doing the KO'ing 20-30x. I am beginning to think that you were the one getting KO'd.

I don't give a **** what you do in the UK. I think I have said that more than once.

You come off as a fucking dilettante. Why would you PUNCH somneone when you don't know if he has friends or is carrying? Your argument here is pretty weak as we can apply it to anything.

Quote me all you want. I think it's mad fun.



Look, I know it is fun for you to pretend you are a grown man and that you are really tough, but please, you have to know when to stop. To try and portray this contrary rubbish (vs the softly softly approach you are taking now) as the words of a security professional is ludicrous and offensive to those who actually have to do the job.Personally I respect guys like TCDD who work as policemen. It is a very difficult job. I often used to liase with the police regarding drug dealers and other criminals and consequently they respected me and my team.

I think you have read too many books, watched too Roadhouse a few too many times.

Let me break this down for you:

Read the last few posts. I totally fucking schooled your glamorized hyped up bullshit. I know what a bouncer does because I lived that lifestyle way too long. I am sorry that those final few paragraphs in the last post stung, but it was the truth.

Your outlandish claims of KO'ing 20-30 guys is bullshit. I'll be the first to call bullshit. I *MIGHT* believe that if you were Lee fucking Murray. But you aren't. You are a guy who reads bouncer books and theorizes about the best way to suckerpunch people.

And I will clarify for you once again:

I ADVOCATE NOT FIGHTING. GET THE **** OUT OF THERE. ( I stance I maintain from the beginning of the thread)
The decision to fight is made when you cannot get away. This is not being 'soft' this is being smart. But when you do decide to fight you don't screw around with all this theoretical and cerebral ****. You throw down. That's it.

Now outside of the 'real world' that the rest of the99% of the population lives in, law enforcement and security ARE NOT ALLOWED to just punch anyone who gets mouthy or in thier face. You have to use a measure of force dictated by the level of aggression. Someone getting rowdy and making threats does not allow an officer or a bouncer to KO him. End of story. Lawsuits are filled with stories like these.

BTW have I mentioned that your claims of KO'ing 20-30 people with this 'fence' complete bullshit?

And just to burst your bubble, cops don't respect bouncers and thier teams. They deal with them. And look at them like wannabees who would rather scam on chicks and get free drinks than do actual law enforcement; which is a profession. Bouncing is a menial job.

I think I needs mentioning that your claims are bullshit. Did I already say that?

Well if I haven't I will say it again. Bullshit. You are self-aggrandizing and trying to glamorize a menial job that according to you - you don't even do anymore. Bouncers are 95% wanna be tough guys or guys who are just doing it for the money until they can get a better job. They aren't tougher than anyone. They just seem that way because they are dealing with drunks.

And to use this bullshit approach as a civilian, outside of the security environment is dumb. Walking around setting people up for the suckerpunch is lame. You know what lame means, dontcha mate? It is not being man enough to walk away from machismo bullshit - but instead trying to fight everybody who you perceive has slighted you, not realizing the escalation and consequences of your actions.

Not that this last paragraph really applies because, quite honestly, I think you are trying too hard. And portraying yourself as some kind of badass 20--30 KO's, etc and a 'security professional'. And while you might be lame, I doubt you have done much of what you say. You would rather read books about those that have, and pass them off as your own experiences. And the dead-on accuracy of my profiling has caused you to project your inadequacy and inexperience into questions about me. I'll bet a closer picture has you working at the door of some club for 4months and in that time you saw 3 fights and are actually angry you didn't get to beat anyone up. So you read some toughguy books and are trying to play the role of Dan Webre.

In fact, we haven't really seen much from you other than wild and fantastic claims yet you call yourself a fighter. Heck you probably don't even really train. You proabably took 3 months of lessons, read some **** online and in books and consider yourself a fucking expert on fighting. Hell, show us something. Anything that makes any of your wild ass claims believable.

Stick that up your ass and find the centerline, you fucking Chunner.

Stick that up your ass and find the centerline, you fucking Chunner.
Line here * scratch in sand* ..... don't dis the chunners :lookround

This is all about hate of wing chun. Sad really.

This is all about hate of wing chun. Sad really.
You know what everyone says stupid ****. Everyone on this thread has been taken to task at some point.


Stop jumping to conclusions.

You decided to call Y9 a child because he doesn't agree with your assertions.
You decided no one else has experience as a security/Bouncer/Doorman because, it doesn't fit your criteria.
You decided that cops love bouncers/security/doorman.
You decided no one else worked these field.


I think I have a good clue to your age. Guess what? Many of us are right up there with you in age. So, a couple of extra years of life doesn't make you an authority.

Actually chance, it wasnt until this thread was WELL into the argument before I found it you did WC. Then it all made sense. Yesterday(?) I noticed you made another WC mega thread complete with shity unprovocative videos and all while spouting off the same unsubstantiated WC rhetoric we have heard for years. This isn't all about WC. It's about your shitty, ambiguous premise and bullshit claims. You just happen to espouse WC and that is icing on the cake.

Most bars and nightclubs I've been at tell their doormen "do not strike a 'guest' unless you are being threatened with a deadly weapon. They want you to detain, not K.O. See, in the US. K.O.ing a 'quest' means everyone gets sued.

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winnar.

Then I am glad I don't have to work in the US. Much safer for everone involved to just ko the troublemaker. You must need vast numbers of security people in the US.


You decided to call Y9 a child because he doesn't agree with your assertions.

No it's because he sounds like a child.


You decided no one else has experience as a security/Bouncer/Doorman because, it doesn't fit your criteria.

I would say that Spook and THXX both have relevant experience because they are a UK bouncer and UK policeman respectively. Strangely both agreed with me on almost everything. Kickcatcher, another British person (I think) also agrees but is keeping quiet because he is scared of opinion here.

Personally I'm not too bothered what a bunch of US adolescents think of me. I am glad I raised the fence thread and hopefully I gave a few people some ideas.


You decided that cops love bouncers/security/doorman.

This is my personal experience. If you worked as a security person and the police didn't like you then I'm sorry.


You decided no one else worked these field.

That's because Yrkoon sounded like he was telling porkies to impress other kids on the int3rnet forum. Omega came over as telling the truth IMO and sounded like a much more rational guy. Hence I didn't argue with him.

I'm perfectly willing to accept that the fence in not usable in the US because of your laws. It is very usable in the UK however. IF these threads annoy any of you perhaps you should just ask the mods to insert a "UK only" label or something. Then you can ignore them and get back to talking about when you might start training again.