Anyone have any experiences with these? I'm currently taking Phera and seeing decent results thus far which I'll get into later if this thread picks up.

Superdrol (methasteron) is definitely not a prohormone: it is a very active form of a designer supplement. Superdrol gets its name from the fact that it is a super-saturated, or 2-reduced, form of Anadrol. Anadrol has a =C-OH at the 2nd position, and if this is totally saturated (reduced) with hydrogen, it gives -CH3. Another way to describe it is that it is a 2a-17a-dimethyl of drostanolone (Masteron). Masteron has a single methyl group at the 2nd position. Superdrol is a modification of this structure by adding another methyl group at the 17th position, like M1T or M-Dien. However you may wish to look at it, it is by this simple-looking transformation that Superdrol comes to occupy the sweet spot between the chemical natures of Anadrol and Masteron. Since it is already reduced at the 5th position, it cannot make estrogen. Progesterone is not an issue: perhaps 0.1% can aromatize, in theory. In fact, this compound should not have any major metabolites at all. Maybe a few hydroxylated adrenal metabolites, but only traces. It is basically excreted unchanged as the conjugated glucuronate. The extra electron density at the 2 makes Superdrol 2-3x as anabolic (mg for mg) than Anadrol. To borrow from the language of genetics, Superdrol is a fine example of hybrid vigor: it has only the best attributes of each, and none of the worst. This is a supplement designed to have it all.

Anadrol/oxymetholone 17ß-hydroxy-2-hydroxymethylene-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-3-one
Superdrol/methasteron 2a,17a-Dimethyl-17ß-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one
Masteron/drostanolone 2a-methyl-17ß -hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one
Proviron/mesterolone 1a-methyl-17ß -hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one




The testers whose dosing fit the above guidelines gained, on average, five pounds of muscle in under three weeks, while losing water and gaining no fat on hyper caloric bulking diets. The quality of the gains from Superdrol comes from its likeness to Masteron while the quantity comes from its similarity to Anadrol. Masteron, expensive and very rare, is almost a perfect cutting steroid, being highly androgenic and anti-estrogenic. If you must have a rough comparison to something already out there, one tester described the quality of gains as being akin to those from fina or a test/halo combo, but such comparisons are bound to be inexact. Gains are very dry, and it makes muscles noticeably more hard and dense. The explosive gains from Anadrol are accompanied by a great deal of water retention and fat. M1T, as you surely well know, produces explosive gains not unlike those of Anadrol, but this comes at a cost. More on this later. As to how difficult it is to retain the gains from Superdrol, you are invited to follow the testers’ post-cycle results. To date, the results are promising, with no loss of mass or vascularity. The gains from Superdrol will be impressive, and they will not take long to start, but they will be more gradual to be recognized than those which come from aromatizing steroids. Your numbers in the gym and on the tape measure will go up, not explosively, but they will go up surely and steadily. The diuretic effect of Superdrol will at first mask the gains as you lose water and gain muscle. When mass begins to increase, it should do so disproportionately compared to tape-measurements. So if you are only checking the scale, or if you are not lean enough to notice the loss of water, persist and be rewarded.


Strength
Anadrol is famous for explosive gains in strength. M1T is not. Superdrol shares with Anadrol a capacity for impressive, but consistent, gains in strength. Testers experienced dramatic and immediate strength gains, when consuming sufficient calories. To their surprise and our delight, every single one became stronger every single workout, and many personal bests were recorded, while volume increased. Being a DHT derivative, it is a fair question to ask whether the strength gains from Superdrol can be maintained, or whether they will not dissipate shortly after one terminates use of the drug. In response to this, consider that 1) the strength gains from pure androgens are not generally accompanied by proportional gains in mass, and 2) the gains in both strength and mass which result from dianabol/m1,4add are - besides being accompanied by bloating - diminished soon after one goes off, they don’t just disappear, but they are hard to keep. If the mass gains from Superdrol are solid rather than fleeting, then the strength which came with this increase in muscle mass should be much easier to maintain than those which can result from the use of Anadrol, Dianabol/M1,4ADD, or many of the pure androgens, which achieve a significant amount of their effect on strength through their psychotropic effects on focus and aggression.

Athletic Performance
Along with marked increases in strength, all testers observed undeniable increases in their endurance, whether in cardio or adding to the sets they could perform. Breathing and heart rates were not as high as expected. Given Superdrol’s chemical relation to Anadrol and Masteron, it was speculated that this could be due to an increase in red blood cell (RBC) count, which would allow the use of more oxygen. Masteron has also been used as an Anadrol alternative for aplastic anemia, so it should be a strong immune stimulator and RBC booster, as many 5-reduced compounds are. In Anadrol, the extra stamina which should accompany the known increase in RBC is largely counteracted by the estrogen related effects. Because these are absent with Superdrol, increased RBC count may seemed a probable explanation for the increase in endurance. But because the increased endurance occurred quickly, I am hesitant to assert that an increased RBC count is the reason. Shortly after this appears in print, there should be blood work available to confirm or deny this. No matter the explanation, Superdrol does increase endurance significantly.


Masteron is very effective in cutting cycles to reduce bodyfat; Anadrol does not mind putting on a few pounds ‘for the winter.’ Superdrol testers were all eating well, no one was cutting, and mass was going up faster than tape-measurements. It was wondered whether Superdrol exhibited fat-burning properties like tren. This can be discounted, and explained instead as a diuretic effect: testers size did not change dramatically because they lost water, while their muscles grew and became more dense. So in regard to fat, Superdrol falls right between Masteron and Anadrol: one could say that it neutral in terms of partitioning. When using Superdrol, fat will not magically melt away, but nor will it especially inhibit fat loss on a cut. It will not especially prime you for fat gains on a bulk, but if you do not watch your diet you can get fat.

Basically Superdrol is a pro-steroid and is legal for the moment but it's not in mass production anymore. Anyone care to discuss? I'll make side threads for compounds with similar focuses if this one takes off.

Superdrol is highly toxic. I've heard that PP is not as toxic but IMO it's BS. I tried it but was experiencing liver pains so I quit after just 3 weeks. Any methylated oral is going to be very toxic.

I swear to God you're like bao, but you actually lift.

My thoughts are if its not a controlled dangerous substance chances are your wasting your time.

Superdrol is highly toxic. I've heard that PP is not as toxic but IMO it's BS. I tried it but was experiencing liver pains so I quit after just 3 weeks. Any methylated oral is going to be very toxic.


I'll deal with this nonsense this weekend.

I'll deal with this nonsense this weekend.
If you feel that my response was nonsense...

Don't take my word for it. There are plenty of blood test results on bodybuilding.com that show abnormal numbers even when people apparently felt "fine" on them. I've gone through 3 bulking/cutting cycles but some of these guys have been doing it for 10-20 years so they'll know a lot more than me. Go see for yourself. But of course don't take their word for it either because there's always a chance that those test results were forged. I mean you never know right...

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What cycles did you run? Also BB.com is crap for information. If you want accurate info on AAS or other compunds, go to forums.steroid.com. Yes, any methylated substance is going to be hard on your liver, however assuming precautions are taken to help protect the liver including dietary supplementation as well as monitoring one's diet to include more healthy whole foods and an avoidance of alcohol all together, the liver won't be that poorly effected. On top of that, I have no idea how you got "liver pains," and how long did you plan on running the cycle for exactly?

Groundcontrol- running a real cycle isn't legally feasible due to the nature of my work, so I'm sticking to the legal derivatives.

C'mon, dude, you don't need that ****.

It helps with strength and recovery as well as the fact it's legal. It's in the same capacity as any other supplementation. I just got a great idea for a new thread on supplement ethics.

I'm going to have to go with Koto on this one, man. I don't take anything and I don't see a need for any type of supplementation until you're in the 200+ lean bodyweight range.

I think of it as car modifications or modifications on a gun. Yeah, I can shoot well and drive well with the stock versions, but if I can upgrade them (safely of course) and shoot or drive better, then why not?

That is a pretty good example.

Most car mods that you do, especially ones to your engine, give you a much higher chance of ruining your car. Most really tricked out cars have no capacity to be a daily driver because of the fact that they will break down so often. Great for racing, not so great for everyday use.

Using that analogy, I want my body to be more useful in my daily life than provide me with brief periods of peak performance. I don't want to be the guy who's body is a junked out POS when I'm 50 because I wanted to push myself above my natural limits when younger.

That is a pretty good example.

Most car mods that you do, especially ones to your engine, give you a much higher chance of ruining your car. Most really tricked out cars have no capacity to be a daily driver because of the fact that they will break down so often. Great for racing, not so great for everyday use.

Using that analogy, I want my body to be more useful in my daily life than provide me with brief periods of peak performance. I don't want to be the guy who's body is a junked out POS when I'm 50 because I wanted to push myself above my natural limits when younger.


Lifting heavier weights period gives one a higher chance at ruining themselves. The modifications done to a car that increase it's gas mileage, engine torque, cycling rate etc. won't ruin the car. Driving it like a moron will. Running a BMW at constant top speeds with hard breaking and treating it like dog **** will ruin the car quicker. Modifying it so it runs smoother, etc won't. We can all red line just like a car, but that doesn't mean we should or are going to. That's a safety issue. Any supplementation that allows for another RPM before red lining just adds performance to the car, not that the car is going to be shot after a year. AAS, etc. also help with recovery, so they'd lessen the chances of being junked out when 50 years old, btw.

Nice turning of my car analogy back on me.

I should probably switch this post over to the 'ethics' argument, but I don't really have an ethical problem with supplements. Personally I won't take most of them but I don't really care what you do to your body as long as it doesn't affect me.


AAS, etc. also help with recovery, so they'd lessen the chances of being junked out when 50 years old, btw.I don't know about that. I can't seem to reconcile how short-term aids to muscle recovery is going to have a positive affect on you in the long term. I was looking at it more on the scale of your entire body (liver, joints, heart, possibilty of cancer, etc.), especially when you start looking at long-term use. And I'm not talking about long term abuse, just long term use.

To me it's similar to a lot of things--take alcohol, for example. A guy who has 4 beers a day, 7 days a week, is statistically more likely to have liver problems than a guy who never touches alcohol. A guy who smokes 1 cigar every day is more likely to get cancer.

As far as I know (and I'm sure you know more about this than I do), there aren't a lot of studies out there that document conservative long term steroid use. My opinion is that it probably increases your chances of having detrimental side effects. But then again, that's just my opinion.

Nice turning of my car analogy back on me.

I should probably switch this post over to the 'ethics' argument, but I don't really have an ethical problem with supplements. Personally I won't take most of them but I don't really care what you do to your body as long as it doesn't affect me.

I don't know about that. I can't seem to reconcile how short-term aids to muscle recovery is going to have a positive affect on you in the long term. I was looking at it more on the scale of your entire body (liver, joints, heart, possibilty of cancer, etc.), especially when you start looking at long-term use. And I'm not talking about long term abuse, just long term use.

To me it's similar to a lot of things--take alcohol, for example. A guy who has 4 beers a day, 7 days a week, is statistically more likely to have liver problems than a guy who never touches alcohol. A guy who smokes 1 cigar every day is more likely to get cancer.

As far as I know (and I'm sure you know more about this than I do), there aren't a lot of studies out there that document conservative long term steroid use. My opinion is that it probably increases your chances of having detrimental side effects. But then again, that's just my opinion.


Well, for starters AAS aren't short-term. It's not like a person takes it just for a cycle's worth of strength, size and recovery time. The gains are meant to be kept and are easily kept if the training, nutrition and supplementation is maintained. They also give steroids to cancer and disease patients to prevent wasting and to encourage healing. A few cycles a year carry little if any side effects and can help heal injury, slow aging and enhance mental and physical prowess. There are tons of documents on long term steroid use. AAS aren't not new compounds, they've been around for decades. The alcohol and cigar comparison is completely off as both of those have no value what so ever.