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Kungfoolss
5/14/2003 2:28am,
Jewish World Review

May 13, 2003

Dennis Prager


My week at Stanford

I spent last week at college. And not just any college. Stanford University. And this is what I thought.


If you wish to learn facts, the university can be a great place. If you wish to study the natural sciences, the university is a great place. But if you want to acquire wisdom or to become a mature adult, the university is usually an impediment. By and large our major universities are located on gorgeous land, isolated from the real world. The university, for a tenured professor in particular, is closer to a socialist utopia than any place on earth. He does little work, is relatively well paid, has extended time off, is surrounded by adoring young men and women (more about that later), and alone among wage earners, can be wrong all the time and pay no price.


This isolation is a major reason why most of society's stupid ideas, and few of its better ones, come from professors. You have to live on campus, as I did (at Stanford's Faculty Center) to appreciate just how isolated you are. Everything is campus based. You eat there, socialize there, study there for four years, read the college's newspaper, and rarely watch television or listen to the radio. In fact, for more than a few students, the university environment is not all that different from that of a cult. As a student, you are well fed and live among fellow impressionable young people. The only adults you encounter are there, for the most part, to shape your thinking. Other adults and other ideas are largely kept out.


As for the faculty, the university is one of the only places in society where it is actually a challenge to grow up (Hollywood is another). If you have gone from kindergarten to graduate school to teaching in college without serious time in the non-academic world, it takes a major effort to be an adult. Spending your entire life with minors is a recipe for permanent immaturity. Any college that required its teachers to have spent five years doing something, anything, outside of academia -- driving a taxi, starting or running a business, waiting tables, playing sports -- would probably have the most mature (and therefore most conservative) faculty in America. This problem, of professors never having had to live in the real world or work with adults, should not be underestimated. I recall interviewing on my radio show years ago a professor who had uncovered data showing that male high school and college teachers were the group least likely to remarry after divorce. Living and working around so many young and attractive women makes it very tough to commit to one adult woman.


It is no reflection on anyone at Stanford -- everyone I met was unfailingly polite -- to say that I felt it necessary every day to drive off campus to breathe the air of the real world outside the campus. But for those who love such a cocoon, it is no wonder that much of the outside world (especially the middle class world) is often regarded with fear and contempt. No wonder many professors do not know how to write in language accessible to that world. Many of them literally can't speak to the rest of us. To its credit, the Stanford Daily fairly covered my lecture, "The Pathology of Anti-Americanism and Anti-Zionism." It even noted that it was "to a standing room only crowd" and put it on its front page. Most important, at the end of the article, the writer quoted three students as saying that at Stanford they never hear views such as these. It is worth noting who brought me to Stanford: a combination of conservative and Jewish groups -- the Hoover Institution, a unique island of non-leftist thought at a major university, Stanford Republicans and a number of Jewish groups, most particularly a Chassidic group (the university's major Jewish group, the Hillel Foundation, deemed me too conservative to co-sponsor).


The American university is this country's primary incubator of anti-Americanism and opposition to Judeo-Christian values. Therefore, the funding of effective speakers on college campuses on behalf of America and its Judeo-Christian values must now be regarded as important as the funding of our military. We are at war at home as much as we are abroad.

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deus ex machina
5/14/2003 2:34am,
Heh, I'll be there in mid-June for my sister's graduation. I always thought there was something wrong with that commie sister of mine.

~
danny

"All this talk about 'newbies' is making me a little nervous. You guys don't have any sort of secret hazing initiation involving wooden paddles and me screaming 'Thank you sir, may I have another?!' do you?"

MrMcFu
5/14/2003 2:52am,
The US has a healthy history of dissent. It's good to see other views, even if I disagree with them. To try and suppress anyone's right to free speech or another view is "anti-american"

Sifu Emin - Did you see that?
Me - (gasping) No, but I can't breathe yet.

Fighty McGee
5/14/2003 9:35am,
Kunfoolss thinks "college boys" and "stylists" are unAmerican. We already know what he thinks of Jews and foreigners.

Balloonknot
5/14/2003 9:40am,
what a fukkin DOLT!!

poet
5/14/2003 9:44am,
"what a fukkin DOLT!!"

Do not insult DOLT's like that.

"My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right."
Ashleigh Brilliant

Balloonknot
5/14/2003 9:50am,
doh!

KC Elbows
5/14/2003 10:06am,
"American university is this country's primary incubator of anti-Americanism and opposition to Judeo-Christian values."

Wow, pretty scary thinking. Especially the end of the paragraph, where the writer relates this thinking to the war. Am I mistaken, or are they trying to infer that non-christian-judeo thinking is some sort of treason?

"No wonder many professors do not know how to write in language accessible to that world. Many of them literally can't speak to the rest of us."

Us? Sorry, bro, I own a dictionairy so that I can elevate my listening and reading skills, I don't need to be spoken down to. I would think other americans would not appreciate this sort of pandering, but oh well. Since they are teaching acedemic fields, they are familiar with academic jargon. Such jargon is necessary to teach ideas. No way around that.

"The university, for a tenured professor in particular, is closer to a socialist utopia than any place on earth. He does little work, is relatively well paid, has extended time off, is surrounded by adoring young men and women (more about that later)..."

First, he really doesn't go back to that later, at least not in an effective way. Second, he doesn't convince the reader that he knows much of anything about the professor's lifestyle, since he gives every impression that he doesn't even understand the professor's jargon, much less examine the professor's schedule in any way whatsoever. His own piece leads the reader to believe that he is talking out of his arse on this one, because he cannot even cite a professor who fulfills his criterion, or where he gets this info from. Somehow, considering the caustic view he clearly holds towards education and professors, I doubt that anyone was exactly rushing out to have coffee with him and define their daily schedules. Yet he speaks as if they did exactly that.

Nice conservative jingo. Short on facts, heavy on hyperbole. It'll be nice when both sides are sick of these idiots and their poorly thought out arguments, but I suspect that'll only be after we pay the consequences for our division. I can't even imagine why people waste their time with opinion pieces. Everyone just loves to hear other people parrot out their own poorly thought ideas. Bunch of lemmings on all fronts, really. If they were solid arguments, they'd be calling the pieces analysis, not opinion.

Zeig Stupid.

poet
5/14/2003 10:12am,
"Zeig Stupid."

lol

"My opinions may have changed, but not the fact that I am right."
Ashleigh Brilliant

gojuJKDdude
5/14/2003 10:21am,
As a college student I can identify with much of what Mr.Prager said. As John Galsworthy said "Idealism increases in direct proportion to ones's distance from the problem." I don't agree with his idea that colleges need to be inculcated with "Judeo-Christian" values, I do think there needs to be more objectivity on campus.

KC Elbows
5/14/2003 11:58am,
The fact is, people pay Stanford's tuition rates for a reason. As long as they do, the author's complaints are meaningless. They are not paying for a professor's social skills, but for their knowledge. Thus far, the people who have the most complaints with Stanford don't appear to be the people who actually pay for Stanford's services, so I suspect they're doing a pretty good job, overall.

Frankly, politics have no place in the class room. Being in a conservative area, I only run into conservative teachers pushing their views onto students, because liberal teachers need to be much more careful about that than their counterparts here. I've lectured several teachers on this, and each argument ended with "feel free to argue, but whether you win or lose does not change this from something you could get fired for." If someone's in math class, math should be the order of the day. If they are in political science, the science of it should be the order of the day. Any time they deviate, I explain to them, they are deviating on MY tax dollars, which is why they are being payed to teach their respective fields and shut their pie hole the rest of the time.

Unfortunately, where I am, they've periodically managed to get creationism introduced to the curriculum, not based on accepted science, but based on some stupid concept of 'equal time', in which other options than evolution need to be provided, but no impetus is placed on the teachers to refrain from utilizing science that has no acceptance in the scientific community in such teachings.

The problem isn't that there isn't enough conservative views in college, but that there's too much politics in academia. I'm starting to be of the opinion that the worst things in america today are conservativism and liberalism. After all, they are both ideals, and that Galsworthy quote applies very well to both of them.

I mean, really, his piece doesn't mention the quality of the information being passed to the students even once. And since college is essentially a transfer of knowledge and networking, I just don't see what the problem is. It sounds like they're doing a good job. Their customers sure seem to agree.

DJeter1234
5/14/2003 1:40pm,
Thank G-d I'm going to Brown, where I'll get plenty of conservitive.... whtvr, I'm soooooo eating McDonalds at vegan rallies

"I may not agree with what you have to say, but i'll fight you in a no holds barred fight to the death for your right to say it"

KC Elbows
5/14/2003 2:10pm,
Hey, it's your colon. ;)

magikchiongson
5/14/2003 2:52pm,
"Am I mistaken, or are they trying to infer that non-christian-judeo thinking is some sort of treason?"

I thought the writer was trying to infer that Colleges are incubators for people who attack Judeo-Christian Principles.

Osiris asked should students be hemmed in with Judeo-Christian Principles, no but, they shouldn't have to be faced with Anti-Judeo-Christian teachings either. But on a side note, and I could be wrong here, wasn't Standford a Christian College when it first started? Since most of the Major Universities were.

I agree with KC, I can live without Conservative Ideals in College, and I will be ecstatic if I didn't have to hear Liberal Ideals in College either. But if it comes down to it, I would rather go a Conservative College at least I won't vomit in class.

To me College should really have no other purpose than to prepare you for the Career you've choosen. A college Proffessor once told me "Too many Colleges are all about creating robots for their jobs, College should be about learning and enlightenment" everybody was looking at him all google eyed and stuff.

I'm like "****, I'm not here for enlightenment, I'm here so I can get a better job, if you're teaching enlightenment I want my money back,"

Fighty McGee
5/14/2003 2:56pm,
Hey Djeter, please choke on "it".

KC Elbows
5/14/2003 5:23pm,
Magik,
Obviously I am on the left side of the discussion, but I hope I made it clear that what I meant was that neither conservative or liberal bias was, to me, acceptable in a school. Just wanted to be clear that we're in agreement.

Frankly, I think the main problem nowadays is it's cool to be dumb and hate math. Math is pretty much the cornerstone of modern society, so we're not really heading somewhere good. It's like, we worked hard to advance the sciences, and now we work hard to perform logistics for the profits gained from those sciences, whereas I'd like to see more advances.

Just ranting.