Do you tell special olympians they aren't really winning anything?


Hey, there's lots of special olympians I can't beat in their events, actually.

What's better than winning a gold medal in the special olympics?

Not being handicapped.

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There was a joke told here, unfortunatly I don't remember who first said it so I can't credit them that went something like this.

"I was at a point sparring Karate match the other day and a fight broke out between rival schools, and no one was hurt"

What kind of asshole calls himself -san?

2. Not just sparring, but sparring with people who can hand you your ass! If you consistently spar with sub-par fighters you will lose a step. If you are the best at your school, then you need to get out and find people that will work you. I try to bring in or go to specialists in different areas to improve what I am doing. Go to your local boxing gym and just step into their world. Hire the high school gym wrestlers to do double leg takedowns on you for a few hours and try to counter. Junk like that. Just don't go owning your white belts.



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Yeah, what he said. There is nothing wrong with getting your ass whupped as long as you learn from it. :viking:

i read in a book that the dude who invented shotokan karate never sparred and only did forms and stuff and went on to kick everyone's ass in the karate tournament.

sound like bullshit to me. as far as the whole not being able to learn how to swim.
the fight is like swimming, just a swim race.

Noone ever got their ass kicked by a form.

Fine, fine. Fatherdog prescience FTW though.

In all fairness, Dai-Tenshi could've seen this one coming.

(it's funny 'cos he's legally blind)

So where did the guy who said sparring was bad and kata good go?? Damn it if you're going to Troll at least stick around and Troll so everyone else can make fun of you!!

Here's a great historical analogy.

In the Napoleonic wars a much small British army defeated the French in Spain and Portugal. One of the reasons why was because of the British infantry who could fire 3-4 rounds per minute from there front loading muskets to the French's 1-2 rounds per minute. Do the math and even though the French greatly out numbered the British 3-4 rounds fired from the thin red line into the French marching column that could only return 1-2 shots per minute and this equals French defeat.

Why were the British infantry better than the French? Because the British practiced loading and firing their guns with live ammunition and the French just drilled the movements.

Kate and no sparring is like learning to fire a gun with out ever using real ammunition.

When you spar... are you wearing pads? Do you limit techniques to strike only "safe" target areas? Can you attack the joints, vital targets, or legs? Can you use open hand techniques? Do you execute strikes with all of the natural weapons of the body? Or just the fist, the instep and the edge of the foot? I was once a tournament competitor. I competed successfully for many years. I know how the game is played. However, after a while I discovered something very important missing from my karate. Namely...Karate!!!

I get so sick of listening to this bullshit about "people who don't spar can't fight" What a crock of ****! Do not make the mistake of thinking that because some of us don't put on pads and "spar," we don't seriously practice karate technique. We drill in serious karate technique (without pads) constantly ... often leaving class bruised and sore, but with the confidence that what we just drilled in works ... quickly and efficiently.

Does anyone here know who Chosin Chibana was? I will end this post with two favorite quotes from this old karate master:

"The way of karate is training. Karate training is kata training. Through kata training, one reaches self realization."

"In the old days, we trained at karate as a martial art, but now they train karate as a gymnastic sport. I think we must avoid treating karate as a sport - it must be a martial art at all times! ...Your fingers and the tips of your toes must be like arrows; your arm must be like iron. The fingers and toes should become like spears so that a single punch or kick can kill."

~Chosin Chibana

PS

I am really kind of suprised by "Boyd's" reaction to my post. I joined this group because of a post I stumbled on by him from that was posted a few years back. I guess his world was not "sufficiently rocked" enough!

Boyd

"I've only been in Isshin-Ryu for just over a year, and most everyone I've met seemed like down-to-earth, knowledgable people, so I was pretty shocked to find out it's a borderline McDojo art. Yeah, there's a lot of great stuff in Isshin-Ryu, but like any art, it's all in who teaches you. I was lucky enough to attend a few Sherman Harrill seminars, and my world was sufficiently rocked."

PPS: I was a long time friend and student of Sensei Sherman Harrill until he passed away. I am the kind of "asshole" who is called "Darren-San" by many of his long time friends and fellow karate-ka. So much for this group "cutting through the bullshit" surrounding karate!

"Oh God I am going!

Peace Out!

The kind of sparring people are talking about is not point sparring with heavy protection. It's (up to) full contact with minimal rules, jointlocks used and abused and no protection other than a gumshield and a cup. Type MMA, UFC or Pride into Google and you'll get some idea of what they're talking about.

I heard a ref at a pointsparring competition refer to the "sparring" as a "high speed game of tag."

It made me really happy to hear that even the tourney refs knew it wasn't fighting.

If you enjoy full contact sparring, or Olympic sparring, or point sparring, I think that is great. I wish you the best in your endeavors. You may be one of those who are very good at sparring, and if so you are due your respect. However, to think that sparring is "karate" is a misconception. Sparring is a relatively new concept in the overall timeline of karate history and sport karate enthusiasts specifically concentrate on about 10% of the total karate picture.

It is in ignoring the rest of karate (the mastery of the fundamentals, basic techniques, kata, and principles that made the early karate masters so efficient at real life-threatening combat) that has turned modern karate into what some yo-yos call "the laughing stock" of the martial arts world. This really pisses me off. If you study karate it should piss you off as well. Real karate is an extremely efficient, deadly martial science.

I also find it amusing that so many of the so-called new superior extreme fighting arts take a few techniques from karate, mix them up a bit, and sell them with shiny new packaging as something that is new and somehow better than the original.

Could it possibly be that these "founders" of these new extreme fighting styles simply didn't take the time to develop any real depth of understanding in the art they were studying to begin with? Real karate is truly an art...it takes time to learn and understand.

We have all heard about the guy who got his black belt in two years, but got his ass whipped in the Walmart parking lot by some punk. Was the problem that his karate didn't work ... or that he didn't really know his karate?

The kind of sparring people are talking about is not point sparring with heavy protection. It's (up to) full contact with minimal rules, jointlocks used and abused and no protection other than a gumshield and a cup. Type MMA, UFC or Pride into Google and you'll get some idea of what they're talking about.


Hmmmmmm

I see... if that is the case....then we spar all the time. However, we choose to utilize the movements and principles contained in Kata. And we have only three rules:

1) Execute technique only as fast as you can perform it correctly. Let speed develop naturally over time.

2) Exercise enough control to not seriously injure your opponent.

2) If it doesn't work, get rid of it!

I suggest you go to the nearest Kyokushin school, and explain your theories about how they lack the real karate.

Without sparring, no one can learn to fight. Read this (http://www.straightblastgym.com/aliveness101.html).

I also find it amusing that so many of the so-called new superior extreme fighting arts take a few techniques from karate, mix them up a bit, and sell them with shiny new packaging as something that is new and somehow better than the original.Who exactly are you talking about here?

Hmmmmmm

I see... if that is the case....then we spar all the time. However, we choose to utilize the movements and principles contained in Kata. And we have only three rules:

1) Execute technique only as fast as you can perform it correctly. Let speed develop naturally over time.

2) Exercise enough control to not seriously injure your opponent.

2) If it doesn't work, get rid of it!That sounds like an excellent way to train. What exactly do you mean by utilizing the movements and principles in the kata? Do you restrict yourself only to moves that can be found in your kata?