That was a little disturbing. Call me crazy, but wasn't Islam and Muhammed involved in less-than-peaceful activities all over North Africa?
No, Islam and Muhammad SAWS were not involved in less-than-peaceful activities all over North Africa. Muhammad SAWS never left what today is known as Saudi Arabia after he SAWS became a prophet. But yes the spread of Islam did involve fighting in some places. Here’s a link to check what I’m saying: http://afgen.com/islam3.html
baqi9
2/15/2006 9:07am,
I just saw the picture of Sharon eating babies.
Thin-skinned Moslem need to act less like hypocritcal children. And more like Adults.
I also find sweet delight in the "behead those who insult Islam" protest signs. The irony is too good.
Last time I checked sharon wasn't a prophet. So that is not the same in the lest possible way. Muslim claim the same prophets as jews and christians, so to desicrate any of them with any type of picture is hated by muslims. As I said before, any type of picture of anything alive except plants is prohibited in Islam. So that makes the pictures of sharon wrong even though he is a tyrant and a terrorist.
garbanzo
2/15/2006 9:08am,
No, Islam and Muhammad SAWS were not involved in less-than-peaceful activities all over North Africa. Muhammad SAWS never left what today is known as Saudi Arabia after he SAWS became a prophet. But yes the spread of Islam did involve fighting in some places. Here’s a link to check what I’m saying: http://afgen.com/islam3.html
Why does Muhammad get a SAWS but Jesus doesn't?
garbanzo
2/15/2006 9:14am,
Last time I checked sharon wasn't a prophet. So that is not the same in the lest possible way. Muslim claim the same prophets as jews and christians, so to desicrate any of them with any type of picture is hated by muslims. As I said before, any type of picture of anything alive except plants is prohibited in Islam. So that makes the pictures of sharon wrong even though he is a tyrant and a terrorist.
Judging from your statements:
1) Muslims would have rioted when South Park had Jesus wrestle Santa Claus.
2) Muslims would have rioted when History Of The World, the movie, made fun of Moses.
3) Muslims would have rioted over The Passion which depicts the crucfiction which, correct me if I'm wrong, Islam asserts never happened.
4) Arab publications should contain no illustrations or phtography.
Is the issue at the heart of the protest truly a religious one?
baqi9
2/15/2006 9:20am,
Judging from your statements:
1) Muslims would have rioted when South Park had Jesus wrestle Santa Claus.
2) Muslims would have rioted when History Of The World, the movie, made fun of Moses.
3) Arab publications should contain no illustrations or phtography.
Based on my statements none of the above should happen. Riots and protest are not allowed in Islam. I was watching linkTV the other day and foundout that one of the reason behind the mass protest is that after some leaders of these countries tried to deal with the issue behind closed doors only to have those doors closed in their faces over and over with the slogan "you can't stop a free press", did people start acting foolish. And no it was not over night.
I can't say that it is religious by all of the protestors, but I'm sure to many it is even though the protest are not allowed in our religion. number 3 is totally true, but everybody who is muslim doesn't necessarly practice properly.
garbanzo
2/15/2006 9:25am,
Based on my statements none of the above should happen. Riots and protest are not allowed in Islam. I was watching linkTV the other day and foundout that one of the reason behind the mass protest is that after some leaders of these countries tried to deal with the issue behind closed doors only to have those doors closed in their faces over and over with the slogan "you can't stop a free press", did people start acting foolish. And no it was not over night.
On the one hand "riots and protest are not allowed in Islam. "
On the other hand "one of the reason behind the mass protest is ...."
You see the problem here?
baqi9
2/15/2006 9:28am,
Why does Muhammad get a SAWS but Jesus doesn't?
There is nothing wrong in saying SAWS when referring to any prophet. Most muslim I know, including me, say SAWS following Muhammad's SAWS name because he SAWS said do not be a miser in not saying it when hearing his SAWS name.
garbanzo
2/15/2006 9:30am,
There is nothing wrong in saying SAWS when referring to any prophet. Most muslim I know, including me, say SAWS following Muhammad's SAWS name because he SAWS said do not be a miser in not saying it when hearing his SAWS name.
So why be a miser when referring to Jesus, Abraham, Moses, Noah etc.?
baqi9
2/15/2006 9:33am,
On the one hand "riots and protest are not allowed in Islam. "
On the other hand "one of the reason behind the mass protest is ...."
You see the problem here?
I see that problem is that people need to study what they claim to believe in. Islam has rules that must be followed especially in a muslim land. Ignorance as an excuse can only carry a person so far. You don't hear the ulemaa saying to the people go out and riot and protest and so forth. No, they are telling the people just the opposite, and have been long before those stupid pictures were printed.
baqi9
2/15/2006 9:36am,
So why be a miser when referring to Jesus, Abraham, Moses, Noah etc.?
Muhammad SAWS did not say that one was being a miser if SAWS wasn't used for any other prophet but himself SAWS. Now for any muslim to say that you must say it has to bring proof for that.
garbanzo
2/15/2006 9:37am,
I see that problem is that people need to study what they claim to believe in. Islam has rules that must be followed especially in a muslim land. Ignorance as an excuse can only carry a person so far. You don't hear the ulemaa saying to the people go out and riot and protest and so forth. No, they are telling the people just the opposite, and have been long before those stupid pictures were printed.
You honestly believe that Muslim religious leaders have not had a hand in these deomonstrations?
baqi9
2/15/2006 9:44am,
You honestly believe that Muslim religious leaders have not had a hand in these deomonstrations?
I don't consider anyone to be a muslim religious leader if they don't follow the qur'an and sunnah according to the prophet SAWS and the 1st three generations understood it and practiced it. Anything else is not considered Islam according to the prophet SAWS. And those leaders (because they are still leaders) are wrong who don't do that. So, do I think some of them have something to do with what is going on? Yes I do believe that they have encouraged a lot of what is going on. And no it does not make it right for any side (the printers and their supporters nor the rioters and their supporters).
garbanzo
2/15/2006 9:50am,
I don't consider anyone to be a muslim religious leader if they don't follow the qur'an and sunnah according to the prophet SAWS and the 1st three generations understood it and practiced it. Anything else is not considered Islam according to the prophet SAWS. And those leaders (because they are still leaders) are wrong who don't do that. So, do I think some of them have something to do with what is going on? Yes I do believe that they have encouraged a lot of what is going on. And no it does not make it right for any side (the printers and their supporters nor the rioters and their supporters).
On another topic, was the hadith completely codified within the 1st three gerenations?
baqi9
2/15/2006 10:05am,
On another topic, was the hadith completely codified within the 1st three gerenations?
No, not to my limited knowledge. For example, sahih Bukhari and sahih Muslim are books of hadith that were collected into a book long after the first three generations. That is not saying that the hadiths were not authentic (there is a science on this topic), it's just that the collection on that scale wasn't done. People in the 1st generation are the ones that wrote down what the prophet SAWS said, did, and allowed. The second generation narrated what they wrote, the 1st generation. And the 3rd generation followed what the second passed on.
Are there broken chains of narration? Yes, but like I said there is a science on testing whether those narrations are authentic. And yes there are narrations that are just out-right lies.
AAAhmed46
2/15/2006 11:19pm,
Well, Bukhari and Muslim threw out many hadiths simply because they had even the slightest doubt.
So only like 7000 or something hadith he accepted, he was bloody careful.
I mean they are still volumes upon volumes long but still............
Judah Maccabee
2/15/2006 11:26pm,
I see that problem is that people need to study what they claim to believe in. Islam has rules that must be followed especially in a muslim land. Ignorance as an excuse can only carry a person so far. You don't hear the ulemaa saying to the people go out and riot and protest and so forth. No, they are telling the people just the opposite, and have been long before those stupid pictures were printed.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010218.php
On February 14, 1989, Khomeini issued a fatwa calling on all Muslims to kill Rushdie for writing the controversial novel The Satanic Verses.
In a statement carried by the official news agency, the government-run body Martyrs Foundation announced, “The fatwa by Imam Khomeini in regards to the apostate Salman Rushdie will be in effect forever”.
“The book The Satanic Verses was the incarnation of the satanic plots of the World Arrogance (United States) and the occupying Zionists which appeared through the sleeves of this apostate”, the statement said.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010173.php
A LEADING imam in the mosque where the July 7 bombers worshipped has hailed their terrorist attack on London as a “good” act in a secretly taped conversation with an undercover reporter.
Hamid Ali, spiritual leader of the mosque in West Yorkshire, said it had forced people to take notice when peaceful meetings and conferences had no impact.
He also praised the bombers as the “children” of Abdullah al-Faisal, a firebrand Muslim cleric, who was convicted of inciting murder and racial hatred in 2003.
Ali revealed that the leader of the London suicide bombers had attended sermons in Yorkshire by al-Faisal and tapes of al-Faisal’s teachings were still circulating within his mosque.
Al-Faisal, who has branded non-Muslims as “cockroaches” ripe for extermination, is serving a seven-year prison sentence but is eligible for early release next week.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010107.php
Sheikh Yousef Al-Qaradhawi
"The nation must rage in anger. It is told that Imam Al-Shafi' said: 'Whoever was angered and did not rage is a jackass.' We are not a nation of jackasses. We are not jackasses for riding, but lions that roar. We are lions that zealously protect their dens, and avenge affronts to their sanctities. We are not a nation of jackasses. We are a nation that should rage for the sake of Allah, His Prophet, and His book. We are the nation of Muhammad, and we must never accept the degradation of our religion.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/010026.php
Muslim extremists are using the furore over the Prophet Mohammed cartoons published in European newspapers to rally the faithful to a jihad (holy war), in several Internet postings.
"Brothers, it's war against Islam ..., grab your swords," says hardline Saudi cleric Sheikh Badr bin Nader al-Mashari in a voice recording posted on an Islamist website.
He said the cartoons - first published by a Danish newspaper in September with several other European papers following suit over the past week - are "part of the war waged by the decadent West against the triumphant Islam".
"To the billion Muslims: where are your arms? Your enemies have trampled on the prophet. Rise up," screamed the sheikh, who is the imam of a mosque in Riyadh, amid the cries of the faithful listening to his speech....
http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/009790.php
The leader of a large Shiite mosque in Queens has joined the new Iranian president in disputing the Holocaust, saying the Nazi massacre of an estimated 6 million Jews during World War II "has been exaggerated."
"The numbers which have been mentioned are too much," the spiritual leader of the Imam Al Khoei Islamic Center in Jamaica, Sheik Fadhel al Sahlani, told The New York Sun. Sheik al Sahlani, who said his mosque has a membership of about 3,000, said that the killing of innocent Jews during the war was "an injustice" but that the extent of Nazi persecution needed further examination. "The numbers, the reasons, we have to study more," he said.
Should I go on, or are you willing to admit that the clergy is encouraging some of these actions?
