Shotokan practitioner challenged by Capoeiristas while working in Brazil (about 1955-1958).



During his stay in São Paulo, Harada also discovered the Brazilian fighting art of capoeira. One day, a supposed friend brought a senior practitioner to Harada’s dojo. Unbeknown to Harada, this was to be a challenge. Luckily, one of Harada’s students had overheard the two men’s intentions, and informed Harada of them. Harada, now aware of the situation, stepped up the intensity of the practice, which was being watched by his potential challenger. Then, at the end of the lesson applied a little more psychology, approaching the capoeirista saying he would accept a challenge at anytime when offered. But the professor of capoeira declined and never returned.

On another occasion, however, a challenge was offered. This was at the University of Rio de Janeiro, and this time it was accepted. Harada later explained that his opponent used the tempo of the music to breathe, so Harada advanced each time he inhaled, eventually driving the capoerista into a corner. Then he showed a technique that clearly would have ended matters, but did not go through with it so that the man did not lose face. Nevertheless, these encounters with that energetic and acrobatic Brazilian art, with its wide-ranging sweeping and spinning leg movements, led Harada to revise his own practice. For one thing, he thought it necessary to become far more mobile and adaptable than he had previously deemed acceptable. Harada Sensei was beginning to develop his own "way," shaped by his experiences.

http://ejmas.com/jcs/jcsart_declaire_0402.htm

When two crappy martial arts face off, there can only be...

... disaster!!

What were the rules of the fight?

Was there clinching allowed? Grappling? What was thier set up?

So far it seems the only rule set was psychological warfare.

No matter who's bio you read.No matter what style he may be from.Whetheer its a modern or TMA.There is always some story of a challenge match that took place.Have any of you guy's read Blooming's bio?

So far it seems the only rule set was psychological warfare.

It seems Capoeira won.

A guy, named Dajmir Pinatti, was a Harada student (claims to be first south american Karate BB) and he switched to capoeira under Master Bimba.

(i only have found info about Pinatti in Italian and in Portuguese)

I haven`t found capoeiristas who switched to karate.

Of course:

Capoeira gets you more chicks

It´s better for conditioning and overall fitness.

It´s as usefull as krotty when it comes to fighting.

I heard a story from a Brazilian Capoeirista, there was a challenge to some famous Capoeirista by a Japanese Jujitsu player. The Capoeira guy was worried because he didn't know how to deal with the grapling style so before the match he was chewing a lot of chewing tobacco, when they bowed he gobbed it into the face of the Japanese bloke and gave him a good shoeing.

I have no idea if this story is true, I don't know when it took place or who the fighters were.

P.S. i'm not a fan of Capoeira as a legitimate martial art.

Hah, that's one bad ass capoeirista... CHAW SPEW ATTACK!!1

well, according to a webpage I read once, when researching info on Capoeira, they said that, in its time, capoerists were known to be quite the brawlers and gansta-like people. Often getting in knife fights and criminal activities and such.

It was interesting to read how the Shotokan practicioner keyed in to the breathing to the music. I don't think most Capoeira students I've met could deal with a sustained linear attack (Japanese martial arts commital style), if Capoeira is their only experience of "martial arts". I once demonstrated a flaw in the Ginga they do to a someone I knew. This is when they step back, step up, step back, step up etc. Now they're told not to do this predictably, but most of them do anyway. By timing for the step up (standing opposite you square on), and just rushing them with a push, it is not too difficult to make them loose their balance. I think it's all about how they train and I don't see them training for reality. I can't comment on the Capoeira in Brazil because I've never visited.

One other thing while I'm ranting, as I understand it, when slavery was abolished in Brazil, they quickly burned the records and barely any info survived so noone realls knows the origins of Capoeira. There is some documentation of the undergroung "gangsta" period but I think this is misinterpreted as giving credibility to Capoeira as a martial art. It's just as relevant to say any dance form that has people in it who are connected to organised crime is martial. I think the confusion comes from the movements which are Afro Carribbean in origin. If you've seen the excellent film "Rize" by David LaChapelle documenting Krump there is a very interesting scene where the founders of Krump are shown footage of African tribal dances and they can't believe the similarity because to their knowledge they created the movements themselves. It's think it's a genetic memory, it just happens that these movements look warlike.

Yeah, having started doing capoeira recently, I can't see how it could be used on it's own as a way to fight. Still, it's good fun, and it has the highest (hot) female to male ratio of any martial art that I've ever seen or heard of. Also, it could be instrumental (excuse the pun) in curing my White Boy's disease.

I figured that I'd be fucked if I got into a fight anyway, but I'm probably at less risk of injury from the martial art itself than if I did jujitsu or karate or what have you.

Man, I would definately learn capoeira to meet girls.

Then he (The Karate Master) showed a technique that clearly would have ended matters, but did not go through with it so that the man did not lose face.
Isnt this sort of analogous to saying (using a deep rumbling voice):
"As I walked by my target, I knew that I could have killed him with my Ninja abilites. He would never know how close to death he came that day...."
:bully:
Not the most convincing of stories about bad ass fighting.

Capoeira definitely has the highest hot chick ratio.

having done capo for a few months i can honestly say that the capoeira mestre and the serious students would have eaten the local krotty club students for breakfast and then shat the remains all over the street outside (when you eat someone you can **** wherever the **** you want)

having done capo for a few months i can honestly say that the capoeira mestre and the serious students would have eaten the local krotty club students for breakfast and then shat the remains all over the street outside (when you eat someone you can **** wherever the **** you want)

That's like saying a professional MMA fighter would beat up your average hobbyist (like me).
It proves nothing.