Nice one, managing to completely fail to comprehend (or even read?) our exchange. My point was to demonstrate how completely asinine it is to take a sentence completely out of the context it was in and make fun of it. So you point out that my quote was part of a different context?

That was the point, dumbass.

http://comegetyousome.com/video/tourni%20ko.wmv

im fairly sure that was a spin heel kick, no wonder that guy went down.

spin heel kicks=end to a fight#


thanks for the replies guys its making me think now, i may just give up on the hook and keep to using side kicks.

thanks

I like to hook kick the body (liver) or leg if it opens up.

Hook kick is a tricky kick to pull off well, for most its probably not worth bothering with...

But, it can be made to work for some people. Even then its not a primary weapon, only a weapon of opportunity. Relys on combination/set up, correct footwork and angle, requires flexibility and very strong and explosive glut, hammy and calf muscle coordination.

I'm refering to the base kick without the spin; the spinning variety add a whole other set of complications to it. Done well its not slappy and can dent/move a heavy bag, albeit not as powerful as some other kicks.

This is absolutely true... the front leg hook kick is a weapon of opportunity (just like many, many techniques) and does require combination and set up. Now I am referring to the side-stepping front leg hook kick.

I have KO'd 2 people with this kick and nailed many, many others with it. I have also never been 'taken advantage of' by throwing it.

I always set it up the same way, which involves programming my opponent. I throw a couple of very hard, side stepping side kicks to the ribs. I want my opponent to really feel it; I want him to want to defend against it. Now that I have him programmed, I throw what looks like the same move (a good front leg hook kick will look exactly like a side kick when starting). The opponent will 90% of the time drop his guard to block what appears to be an incoming side kick and at the last second I turn it and do a hook kick. The heel connects to the side of the face/head or the back of the head and (insert Batman contact bubble!).

Sometimes people move and I pull my kick back early, but I have yet to have anyone fast enough to come in on me. I am sure it could happen, but it hasn't yet.

As for using the 'try the kick against a bag' idea. Are you thinking about a hanging heavy bag? That has flaws, as a hanging bag has a chain connected to the ceiling ,whereas the human body doesn't have that leverage. The head has no such support. A better test is to do the kick against a stationary floor bag (the ones that you can fill with water or sand). I think you will see a difference in your 'perceived' power. I knock the heck out of these type of bags.

The front leg kick has uses, but is not the end all, be all moves. There are many move powerful moves, many that don't leave you exposed, and many that don't require set up... but it's still something you can add to your toolbox.

I think Toj has a very good point. Any technique can be useful.

It is all a matter of setting up your opponent to fall for/walk into your strategy.

There's only like 5 kicks in TKD competition. 95% of it is round house. 5% are all the other kicks combined. The rest of it is all strategy.

And silly slap kick fighting... don't forget that.

This is absolutely true... the front leg hook kick is a weapon of opportunity (just like many, many techniques) and does require combination and set up. Now I am referring to the side-stepping front leg hook kick.

I have KO'd 2 people with this kick and nailed many, many others with it. I have also never been 'taken advantage of' by throwing it.

I always set it up the same way, which involves programming my opponent. I throw a couple of very hard, side stepping side kicks to the ribs. I want my opponent to really feel it; I want him to want to defend against it. Now that I have him programmed, I throw what looks like the same move (a good front leg hook kick will look exactly like a side kick when starting). The opponent will 90% of the time drop his guard to block what appears to be an incoming side kick and at the last second I turn it and do a hook kick. The heel connects to the side of the face/head or the back of the head and (insert Batman contact bubble!).

Sometimes people move and I pull my kick back early, but I have yet to have anyone fast enough to come in on me. I am sure it could happen, but it hasn't yet.

As for using the 'try the kick against a bag' idea. Are you thinking about a hanging heavy bag? That has flaws, as a hanging bag has a chain connected to the ceiling ,whereas the human body doesn't have that leverage. The head has no such support. A better test is to do the kick against a stationary floor bag (the ones that you can fill with water or sand). I think you will see a difference in your 'perceived' power. I knock the heck out of these type of bags.

The front leg kick has uses, but is not the end all, be all moves. There are many move powerful moves, many that don't leave you exposed, and many that don't require set up... but it's still something you can add to your toolbox.

The heavy bag is to work up a resistance against.... resistance...

A hook kick on a heavy bag will almost certaintly move you more than it moves the bag. Spinning hook kick is an entirely different matter, as always.

He is a she. It was a subtle joke. You're still retarded, because she can still live in Nashville and still be from Japan for all I know. It says location, not WHERE WERE YOU BORN/WHERE ARE YOU FROM?!?! Pwnt.

I'm not a girl.

The handle was given to me by my high school football teammates, because I used to run people over like a Rhino. The fucked up spelling is a bastardization of my name Ryan. (My football buddies were illiterate hicks, so that's how they spelled it.) The nickname was later resurrected by martial arts buddies, as they thought it was descriptive of my pressure-fighting style and hard head.

And I am American.

Carry on.

I'm not a girl.

The handle was given to me by my high school football teammates, because I used to run people over like a Rhino. The fucked up spelling is a bastardization of my name Ryan. (My football buddies were illiterate hicks, so that's how they spelled it.) The nickname was later resurrected by martial arts buddies, as they thought it was descriptive of my pressure-fighting style and hard head.

And I am American.

Carry on.


KM is referring to me

http://bullshido.net/gallery/data/500/32313125712.gif

Yeah, they continue to suck. LAST GP PEOPLE! HARIOWNED!

Hold-on....this is a spinning hook again....isn't it?

Is a hook kick also known as a crescent kick?

Cuz uh....mine are pretty good. But i wouldn't be dumb enough to try and use one against a guy who HAS HIS FRIGGING HANDS UP! DUH!

I'm not a girl.

The handle was given to me by my high school football teammates, because I used to run people over like a Rhino. The fucked up spelling is a bastardization of my name Ryan. (My football buddies were illiterate hicks, so that's how they spelled it.) The nickname was later resurrected by martial arts buddies, as they thought it was descriptive of my pressure-fighting style and hard head.

And I am American.

Carry on.

I was talking about Kidspatula, dumbass.....

Is a hook kick also known as a crescent kick?

Cuz uh....mine are pretty good. But i wouldn't be dumb enough to try and use one against a guy who HAS HIS FRIGGING HANDS UP! DUH!

nope hook kicks are basically a side kick slightly to the side of the target and then pulling the heel across to hit the target, then pulling back the leg so it finishes like a chambered roundkick.(hope that makes sence)

and as for with the guy with his hands up it looks like the guy actually put his hands down just before the kick landed?

Oh yeah, gotcha.

I could see where it could be useful, but if you can do a side kick, that seems much more practical.

i think the idea of a hook kick is when done properly its impossible to block, and with side kicks if you aim for the head your asking to get taken down.
sweeps are allowed in our club and so is groundwork so i have to be careful when useing these fancy head shots taekwondo is famous for.

How the **** does a thread on a hook kick get to 5 pages and 67 postes ?!?!?!