Then you have a dickless hook-kick, like I was saying above. Look at the kick in that video clip I posted. A hook kick is a knockout kick.

Edit: are we talking about a front leg hook kick? Because the front leggedness is what makes a front leg kick slappy, IMO.

A 180 or step-through hook kick has plenty of power.

I thought we were talking about a spinning hook kick.

One thing:

If you are in position to do a lead leg hook kick ( and yes you can hook kick of the rear leg of course), you are in position to do a side kick.
Go for the side kick.

Most hook kick KO's are really side kick ko's at time of impact.

Without see your spin kick (hook kick) I cannot really say where you might be weak.

But my usual advise is to strenghten the outer glute (butt muscle), since you need enough strength to hold your legs wide enough to throw the spin kick.

In TKD it is very important that your back kick and spin kick look the same in the beginning. High level opponents will have the advantage on counter for all back spinning techniques, since they take more time to recover from.

With the recent rule change of 1 point deduction for deliberate falling down. One cannot escape the counter by "suddenly becoming of balance" during a miss, fall down to the mat, and stopping the fight.

To make sure your back kick and spin kicks start looking a like stand 3-4 inches away from a wall, with your back facing the wall. This will make sure your leg will not go too wide when you throw either technique. If they go too wide you will hit the wall and feel the pain.

Heavy bag tips: Like with boxing, if you are feeling pain or unable to complete a technique on a particular bag, it means the bag is too heavy for you. Switch to a lighter bag before you move up in weight.

Start with a paddle target or a hanging speed ball till the speed and technique is perfected. Then move up to a 25 lbs. bag, then a 40 lbs. bag, then 60 lbs. bag, etc.

Also practice hitting with heel of the foot and flat of the foot. The speed and power is a little different with the different striking surface.

Also remember if you're doing arial spin kicks against a heavy object that chances are pretty good you're going to move before the object moves during contact. That's true both in the ring and against a heavy bag.

He said hook kick not spinning hook kick therefore, I assumed it was the lead leg slappy thing.

Yes, spinning hooks can get some power. But I've also seen people throw really powerful hooks that got got blocked by average fighters who kept their frigging hands up strong. At which point the kicker was in a horrible position defensively.

Personally, if someone spins on me, even if they are quite quick, I have time to lick my chops before moving in and pounding the **** out of them, or taking them down. As soon as someone twitches to spin, you absolutely know which side the attack will come from. It'll be a spinning hook, sidekick, or sweep, but it really doesn' matter. Slide in at an angle, and whatever they throw will miss. And they will be in a very shitty position with you at their back and one leg in the air.

Spinning techniques have their place, but they can be very risky. By their nature, you are momentarily giving someone your back. If that person is not softened up, and is as fast or faster than you are, then it can quickly be fight over. Of course if you set up the spin well, or you are going against a slower or less experienced opponent and your targeting is good, they can be fight finishers, as JC's video demonstrated.

Hook kick is a tricky kick to pull off well, for most its probably not worth bothering with...

But, it can be made to work for some people. Even then its not a primary weapon, only a weapon of opportunity. Relys on combination/set up, correct footwork and angle, requires flexibility and very strong and explosive glut, hammy and calf muscle coordination.

I'm refering to the base kick without the spin; the spinning variety add a whole other set of complications to it. Done well its not slappy and can dent/move a heavy bag, albeit not as powerful as some other kicks.

I was commenting about the "slappy" hook kick, not the spinning hook kick. Obviously anything that has spin is going to have more power. I would have to be retarded to suggest that a spinning hook kick has no power. Ryno also raises another good point. A blocked hook kick leaves you in an awkward position, too much of a gamble for a kick that isn't relatively powerful.

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Yeah, they continue to suck. LAST GP PEOPLE! HARIOWNED!

KFDW mentioned this once, "Just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work."

I think this applies here. I've seen good kickers land good hook kicks.

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Yeah, they continue to suck. LAST GP PEOPLE! HARIOWNED!


Now, that, was just beautiful.

Nice shot. It can definitely be effective as was evidence in that clip. But if his opponent didn't dip his hands , and was a wrestler with a good shoot? Obviously this was a kickboxing match, so that wasn't a concern.

It's got it's place and can it work. I just feel that it is quite a small place, and you've got to understand the liability that it introduces. If you understand that, and can still land one effectively, then more power to you.

KFDW mentioned this once, "Just because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it doesn't work."

I think this applies here. I've seen good kickers land good hook kicks.


Good point. I never said the hook is 100% useless, just that it is not as powerful as other kicks can be. For me, the (front leg hook) doesn't work well, but that may be just my problem. I'll concede that. But I don't see a lot of front leg hooks being thrown around and K.O.ing people left and right either.

Obviously this was a kickboxing match

How the hell did you figure this one out detective obvious? Did the gloves give it away?

Umm, wtf was the point of that? He wasn't making that as a statement, but as part of reasoning on another point of his. You get your jollies by taking random sentences out of context and making fun of them? Look how easily I can do the exact same thing to you:


arent you American


How the hell did you figure this one out detective obvious? Did the location under his name give it away?

In a lot of his movies, Bruce Lee would use a stepping front-leg hook kick similar to his side kick to wack people in the head. But that was, of course, the movies.

I'll admit that if you clock someone with your heel, and you have a wicked fast hook kick, you can do a little damage. But it's probably one of the most useless kicks in TKD. As someone mentioned, do a side kick or spinning hook kick instead.

How the hell did you figure this one out detective obvious? Did the location under his name give it away?

He is a she. It was a subtle joke. You're still retarded, because she can still live in Nashville and still be from Japan for all I know. It says location, not WHERE WERE YOU BORN/WHERE ARE YOU FROM?!?! Pwnt.