:new_argue is anyone here experienced with this style every thing i read is about how brutal it is i live way out in the middle of no where and this is the closest style available i am interested in it from what i have read i just want some in sight into it such as blocking techniques and what the art emphasizes i have alot of experience as far as kung fu goes and i just wanted to see how it relates to the art that i already know also the master that i am looking to study under learned from a fellow named dan pastre has anyone ever heard of him?thanks for the replies in advance....

Look up San Soo in a search engine. Like Google, even though it will record everywhere you go. San Soo is yummy nut-punching, eye-gouging goodness.

1. Punctuation is great. Please use it.
2. If you have lots of experience with chinese martial arts, then you should be able to tell us more about the school by sitting in on a class, then we can tell you by googling the instructor.
3. San shou has a pretty good reputation, but like all TCMA's it can be very hit or miss depending on the instructor.

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=18514&highlight=KUNG+SAN+SOO

It has already been discussed in this thread. Check it out.

It has already been discussed in this thread. Check it out.

Anyone interested in Chin Siu Dek's system and/or peeps should check with one of Rudy Terlinden's peeps ... Larry Rudd is the best bet if you can find him ... he dropped off the face of the Earth a few years back. Bob Orlando in Colorado might be another good source to check with for a read on it. John

san shou kicks ass.
I don't think its a style actually, but a set of rules
I think its like muay thai but with throws.
VERY awesome. its hard to be bullshido in this because san shou competitions have always existed as full contact competitions. It rocks.

heres a good site
http://www.sanshou.com/article-sanshou.html

Yes, while there can be bad san shou, its like bad muay thai.
It's there, but its hard to find.

edit: WHOOPS, just read that thread and found out san soo and san shou are different. I just thought they were different spelling, whoops, my bad.

I've attended some San Soo classes. The grandmaster for many years was Jimmy Woo until he passed on. It is an excellent kung fu style, and very brutal. There are really no animal forms. Woo used to say, "I not fight bug, I step on bug." It is an "ugly" style with no flowery moves. Very direct and to the point. I would recommend that you take a few classes. With a kung fu background, you really won't need our advice after a few classes.

san soo!= san shou, fuckasses

Only experience i have with san soo is that some complete fucktard on MAP trains in it and calls his teacher "Bear"

I haven't been impressed with San Soo. They have this strange assumption that everyone reacts exactly the same way to each strike.

I haven't been impressed with San Soo. They have this strange assumption that everyone reacts exactly the same way to each strike.

You mean like SCARS? :)

SCARS is San Soo, so yes.

san shou kicks ass.
I don't think its a style actually, but a set of rules
I think its like muay thai but with throws.


San Shou does indeed kick ass, but knees and elbows aren't usually allowed.
I think the CMA full contact ruleset where knees and elbows are allowed is call 'Lei Tai'.

San Shou does indeed kick ass, but knees and elbows aren't usually allowed.
I think the CMA full contact ruleset where knees and elbows are allowed is call 'Lei Tai'.

No, 'Lei Tai' is a raised fighting platform that is used during 'san Shou' fights. They are getting rare now, dont think anyone in the UK and few in USA use them anymore.

San Shou can include knee and elbow strikes, but they tends to be called San Da. The two terms are more or less interchangable.

I thought the rules were called Lei Tai (named after the platform) where you could also score by forcing somebody off the platform, or is that San Shou too ?

Nope. If you see 'Lei Tai rules' quoted it just means that its on a Lei Tai and that you can push the guy off. Generaly although the meanings as such, of san shou and san da are the same, san da tends to be used when knees and elbows are involved, but both can be on a Lei Tai.

Some how I dont think its san shou without a Lei Tai.


Some nice high light clips of san shou/kung fu guys in Taiwan fighting MMA guys etc HERE (http://www.tfkc.com/). Cant link the clips directly but go have a look.

san soo!= san shou, fuckasses

Only experience i have with san soo is that some complete fucktard on MAP trains in it and calls his teacher "Bear"

Only place I have seen it is Gerald Okamura (www.dragonfest.com), and Gerald is evil looking enough to never have to fight.