I ask, what's the point?

Bat Ronin, where in Canada are you from?

I'd still like to know how you claim to be able to train all these too-deadly manuvers effectively while we are not, karate26.

[QUOTE=PO9]I ask, what's the point?[/QUOTE


Oh, I see.

My apologies, I hadn't realized we were in agreement.

Now I'm confused.

I'd still like to know how you claim to be able to train all these too-deadly manuvers effectively while we are not, karate26.

lmao...it's all mystical karate secrets, of course!

Nope, there is no possible may to train them, therefore they are useless. Just go with that.

For the last time, believe whatever you want.

:bduh:

PO9, I think I know where you confused him.

Because we are saying that such techniques are difficult to train to say the least, less useful than other techniques and are in no way fight enders that we are claiming them to be wholely useless under any and all circumstances..

Mind you, the fact that we never said such confuses me as to HOW that came up, but I'm guessing that's what he meant.

Karate, As I was addressing Canadian Smarties and Milk containers I would have thought it obvious I was making a joke, not attacking Canada. Further more while you can use your comparison I can toss out a comparison of general crime rate between the US and UK and find a different set of numbers.

What we need is gun training, not restriction. Restriction doesn't stop criminals from having guns.

Zach, welcome aboard.. Glad to see you misunderstood too and who exactly are you again?*

*Disclaimer: I am not attacking you for being a Noob, I am asking what your relevent experience is to bring to the table.

PO9, I think I know where you confused him.

Because we are saying that such techniques are difficult to train to say the least, less useful than other techniques and are in no way fight enders that we are claiming them to be wholely useless under any and all circumstances..

Mind you, the fact that we never said such confuses me as to HOW that came up, but I'm guessing that's what he meant.

Karate, As I was addressing Canadian Smarties and Milk containers I would have thought it obvious I was making a joke, not attacking Canada. Further more while you can use your comparison I can toss out a comparison of general crime rate between the US and UK and find a different set of numbers.

What we need is gun training, not restriction. Restriction doesn't stop criminals from having guns.

Zach, welcome aboard.. Glad to see you misunderstood too and who exactly are you again?*

*Disclaimer: I am not attacking you for being a Noob, I am asking what your relevent experience is to bring to the table.


Ooh, a gun control expert too. Right. I guess that's why the number of gun crimes in Canada vs the US ( even vs almost any single state in the US) is negligible by comparison. Wait, let me guess the next solution: Batons! Batons for everybody!

lol - Zach, do yourself a favour, don't bother trying to deal with a guy who's primary "relevant martial arts experience" involves medieval swordsmanship. I'm guessing he lives in his mom's basement.

PO9, I think I know where you confused him.

Because we are saying that such techniques are difficult to train to say the least, less useful than other techniques and are in no way fight enders that we are claiming them to be wholely useless under any and all circumstances..

Mind you, the fact that we never said such confuses me as to HOW that came up, but I'm guessing that's what he meant.

Karate, As I was addressing Canadian Smarties and Milk containers I would have thought it obvious I was making a joke, not attacking Canada. Further more while you can use your comparison I can toss out a comparison of general crime rate between the US and UK and find a different set of numbers.

What we need is gun training, not restriction. Restriction doesn't stop criminals from having guns.

Zach, welcome aboard.. Glad to see you misunderstood too and who exactly are you again?*

*Disclaimer: I am not attacking you for being a Noob, I am asking what your relevent experience is to bring to the table.

'Traditonal' karate, with a fair amount of 'contact' (though i'd hesistate to call any of it full contact) training. About 15 years or so altogether. I didn't misunderstand, i've just seen such arguments go on infinitely, and it frankly strikes me as ridiculous that anyone would claim gouging someones eyes is ineffective in a 'real' fight, you cant train knives on another live person full bore either, is knife training ineffective?

The bottom line is that I think people are confusing the pyschological differences between NHB bouts and actually defending oneself from being maimed or killed, the reason NHB fighters probably dont use eye gouges etc when it's possible is that they don't have to. Gouging someones eyes, 'groin rip' type techniques etc are things you do for 2 reasons: Either you HAVE to to get away and preserve your own bodily integrity or you're a sociopath. Regardless of what some say about NHB fighters they aren't (most at least) more violent neccessarily than others, so I doubt it would run through their heads to rip a testicle off an opponent sometime in an NHB fight rather than use a proven technique that's a 'standard' win.

About 12 years ago I was very young and stupid, got in a fight, used ippon -ken, (not even very well placed) to the eye, at fairly close range; it worked great. Your'e not gonna convince me this doesn't work when needed. I know it's anecdotal evidence, but so is using NHB matches as a litmus test for efficacy of technique.

So you didn't read the link provided by maverickz(sp)?

This thread makes me wish it wasn't illegal to beat the living **** out of people.

It may not be illegal everywhere. I thought shitfaced Canadians did that on a regular basis. :drunken_s


-daGorilla

So you didn't read the link provided by maverickz(sp)?

I skimmed it, I didn't see anything about the fighting efficacy or lack thereof of these techniques, more the historical context; did I miss something there?

Written reports of what actually took place in the fights. Even double eye gouges (complete with destruction of the eyeballs) was not a fight stopper.

Zachz, no one's saying such techniques never work, they're saying there's evidence that they won't work as well as people think they will, there's also situations of people being struck with such an injury or being hurt far worse and getting up and soldiering on. Hence why waste time with something that's harder to train and not any more effective than other things? Example: It's just as damaging to strike someone with a bar stool as it is to strike them with a stick. Learning one's a heck of a lot easier and thus more practical and worthwhile.

PS, we can and do train knives, it's called form, practice cutting against things that resist so you know what to expect and full out sparring with suitable stand ins (IE something that ways the same, hurts when you get struck, handles the same, but doesn't maim and kill with a strike). We train knives the same way we train swords.. And speaking of..

Karate, kiddo... Going over your cute little reply. By the way, you've sunk to nothing but insults now, sure sign you've lost or run out of anything useful to say, not to mention I note you suddenly avoid addressing what I say and now stick to attacking my character.. Looking purely at the Gun crime is always going to pain the more gun friendly country as worse, you have to look at Crime overall, which is what I was suggesting when I offered to compare other places to the US. As for the rest.

For what it's worth I live in the house I bought a year ago with my wife and daughter, my parents live about 45 minutes from here via the loop 101, but that's because they chose to stay teachers in Phoenix as opposed to going somewhere else. Their house, incidentally, doesn't have a basement.

As for medieval swordsmanship. I initially took it for fun and enjoyment. Then discovered it translates almost entirely to a stick of any sort and since I CAN and do carry those IRL it works fine as a self defense method.

Ooh, something I note on a side here... For everyone who wants to claim that Bullshido folks only accept stuff proven in the ring (a typical attack on this site). You might notice that the mods and regs don't run around claiming I'm a complete fraud because what I do isn't in a ring.

Sure you can argue it's because I study a weapon art, but none the less it's one of a million examples of people who don't compete being taken seriously.

can we have our thread back now :(