I don't think you are getting what Johnny was saying. Grapplers are harder to take to the ground, and it's harder to keep them there if they want to get up. Meaning if a grappler does get tackled, they are more capable of escaping quickly then a non grappler. For some reason you assume that getting a blue belt in BJJ takes away your ability to see the odds and adjust strategy accordingly.

I totally agree with testing everything against an uncooperative sparring partner in a realsitic simulation of real fighting. However, Are you really "developing" sword techniques? By this do you mean you are creating them? I really don't buy that. In the thousands of years that swords have been used, it's unlikely that our anscestors missed a good technique that you have now "developed". Besides, I think I could spend the rest of my life studying the techniques that have already been developed and never master them all.

Sorry to steer this thread even more off-topic, but it's already taken about a dozen turns in various directions so what the hell.

Anna, see what happens when you beat guys up in the park and film it? Keep up the good work!



I agree on the sword technique thing. I think it's all been done before and it's a matter of what we've seen and had preserved for us in the manual, and a matter of what we're finding on our own.

I've had many an occasion where I think I "invent" a technique, and sometime later i will find it in the historical manuals.

OMG, Anna, will you marry me?

First you have to make her "submit."

First you have to make her "submit."


I didnt think this was that kind of forum.

I didnt think this was that kind of forum.

What???? I meant make you agree to marry him. Jeeez, get your mind out of the gutter girl!

I don't think you are getting what Johnny was saying. Grapplers are harder to take to the ground, and it's harder to keep them there if they want to get up. Meaning if a grappler does get tackled, they are more capable of escaping quickly then a non grappler. For some reason you assume that getting a blue belt in BJJ takes away your ability to see the odds and adjust strategy accordingly.


No, I agree with your points. However, I would say, that if your training is primarily striking, your instincts might cause you to strike, and if your training is primarily grappling, your instrincts might be to grapple.

As someone who has trained in both, my instinct is to run away as fast as I can. I have worked multiple opponent scenarios, I and I loose every time. 5 people combined have 16 more hands and feet than I do, more endurance than I do, weigh more than I do, and can block more ways to run away, than one person alone.

If you are countering someone else who tackles or grabs you grappling will be advantageous, likewise if you have a striking background and someone strikes, a block and counter will be advantageous.

On the otherhand if you have the opportunity to initate a technique, I would argue it is faster to use that opportunity to A) just run or b) sucker punch someone and then run away or c) push the guy away and run away..

Well A, B and C might not be options if you get taken to the ground. I am curious about what grappling training you have done if you think those would be options after getting tackled.

Well,

Today I had the opportunity to spar with someone whom I had argued with online.

Before I post the video I want to preface it by saying that I was feeling pretty shitty today, had just sparred at my ARMA sessionfor 30~ minutes against 4 differant people without a break and earlier in the training I had my index finger jacked up by an errant waster. So I am not sparring as well as I normally do imo



Fighter stats:

I'm 22, 5'10", 165~ lbs approx 9 months of BJJ/MT/MMA experiance.

He's 29, 6'1" 180lbs~ A little over a year of Isshin Ryu karate experiance.
Vid here:

http://s17.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2EM2NHEQ18EDL0SNJ9M46MD0Z9





I gotta give props to the guy for stepping up, it was really cool to find someone willing to actually put their money where their mouth is and actually throw down, unlike many of the people I've argued with online.

Plus it was a good experiance sparring with someone that I dont train with. I had a comparatively rough time taking him down then what I thought I would, it was diffacult closing distance on the side kicks he tended to throw.


it was a learning experiance.



It probably isn't as crucially important in MMA as it is in boxing or kickboxing, but it looks like you dropped your guard when you threw a kick.

Well A, B and C might not be options if you get taken to the ground. I am curious about what grappling training you have done if you think those would be options after getting tackled.


I wrestled in school for two years. Then I changed schools, and they didnt have a wrestling program so I swam instead. Since it was for wrestling compeition, we didnt really train for multiple people because you don't wrestle more than one person in competiton. As such I have no such experience in wrestling multiple people.

What I would want to do, is sprawl and hopefully have gotten the guys face in the ground and he has no wrestling experience and is surprsied that he went down instead of me, and then pray that i can get up and run away really quick.

If I have been tackled, and it is merely 1 on 1 with the rest of the people watching, I would wrestle appropriately. In the unlikely chance that they would politley wait until one of us was finshed, and the next guy swap in I would then wrestle appropriately. and most likely find myself exhausted and severly beat up.

In the more likley situation, that one guy tackles me, and his 4 friends, then do one of the following:

1) pile on top of me, so that neither of us can really move
2) start kicking us while we are are on the ground

I would cry for mercy, hope I can get out of it alive and pray there are some cops/ambulance near by. I dont really see a away out of either situtation if you are surrounded with multiple resisting opponents and on the ground.

My only hope is that I can get out of the tackle, quick enough before I am surrounded by the rest of the people. I find that very unlikely to happen, since in the time it takes to be tackled/sprawl/get up on my feet (lets say 2-6 seconds) the rest of the opponents can easily surround me, unless they are more than 60 feet away.

I would argue its moot, one loses either way.

I sparred him too. I'm 5' 7" 140lbs and I have 7 months of muay thai and boxing experience. I think we were all pretty tired today (the day this was shot), it was hot as hell and we had all been sparring a while before filming (more excuses, I know =P). So yeah here's a video of the two of us sparring:

http://s30.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2ZYGG7YL1H7WC17005Q7UOH9YB

And yeah, guys c'mon, he was actually willing to spar with us and let us film it so you gotta give him credit. Most people are too lame to do even that ;)


Dude, that guy had zero aggression, and he didn't guard at all. You could have beaten him to a swollen, rutabega-like state in the first 30 seconds with a forceful, aggressive combination.

Also, IMO, I think you dropped your guard too much, especially when blocking kicks by lowering both hands, but that's just my way of looking at it.

And Wounded Ronin takes the lead in getting the topic back on track

Matt, I didn't exactly mean that literally, was just an example of "If I come up with Trick X I need to make sure it works before I rely on it."

For the record, the movement in question isn't exactly original, just not something I'd seen come up before I pulled in on accident one night and then started working it's mechanics exactly.

Nothing special, High Feint to one side of the opponent (Coming in from above and off towards the shoulder) and then knee sliding past on the other side. Again, nothing original, just something I hadn't ever personally thought off before I did it accidentally once.

So yeah, nothing new or inovative, just an analogy of testing things out repetetively to work out kinks.

It probably isn't as crucially important in MMA as it is in boxing or kickboxing, but it looks like you dropped your guard when you threw a kick.


it happens =P

watch buakao por pramuk fight and he does the same thing

What if you stabbed your opponent's eye first?

On the otherhand if you have the opportunity to initate a technique, I would argue it is faster to use that opportunity to A) just run or b) sucker punch someone and then run away or c) push the guy away and run away..

How does this new "running away" idea help those of us who wake every morning hoping to get in a fight?
I mean here is the USA fights are rare.So they are precious things.
I train for years and FINALLY I get in a fight and I'm gonna run away?

I dunno guy.But the story it leaves me with just wouldn't be cool.
"Yeah so these ruffians accosted me on my way to donate food to the orphange.So get this... I sucker punched one and ran away."
Does that sound cool to you?
Not me.
In years of teaching no one, NO ONE.Not a single student whther he be a longtermer or some stranger taking his free class has ever asked to be taught how to ***** out of fighting.
Rather they come in and ask to learn to ACTUALLY FIGHT.
You know...to be the guy who watches the other guy run away.

I am my own backup.

Oh my god, I think I'm in love.