Little background first.

I started out taking Karate as a teenager. Figured out, later on, that it was far too commercialized (at least the school I was in), so I left that. I trained in boxing, kickboxing, and limited Muy Thai for a few years. I took up and started training in the Bujinkan system about 6 years ago. I really like the system as it taught me a new way to think about fighting (such as positioning, timing, balance, mixing soft/hard, breaking, etc), and it really challenged me to think and move outside the box. I really love the system as it gives me some out of the box tools to apply to the other styles that I had learned.

After lurking here for a couple of days, I decided that I need to incorporate a grappling system in order to round myself out. A friend of mine is a wrestling coach, so he is going to teach me wrestling techniques, and I am going to teach him stuff from my martial arts background.

Do you guys think the wrestling will give a good foundation for groundfighting? I think I can incorporate those principles with what I know of locks, pressure points, etc. and round things out a bit. Has anyone gone this route, and if so, what should I expect?

Getting occasional wrestling training and mixing it with *choke giggle* ninjutsu is gonna be HUGELY effective, yeah.

Actually, I don't know. It would all depend on the skill of the teacher and your natural talent. It might be all you need. But I doubt it.

Can any of the wrestlers chime in?

Getting occasional wrestling training and mixing it with *choke giggle* ninjutsu is gonna be HUGELY effective, yeah.

Actually, I don't know. It would all depend on the skill of the teacher and your natural talent. It might be all you need. But I doubt it.

Can any of the wrestlers chime in?


Choke and giggle ninjutsu? I seriously don't understand why this system gets such a bad rap here.

Because it's not real?

Oh, look, I don't really mean to flame you. You might be in a great school, I don't know. I just have this thing about ninjutsu.

Because it's not real?

Oh, look, I don't really mean to flame you. You might be in a great school, I don't know. I just have this thing about ninjutsu.


Hey, its all good. I have been to seminars in the Bujinkan and trained with instructors and students, and sit back and think that "These people would be seriously injured in a real fight". A lot of schools teach this tip tap, soft form of ninjutsu. Their students move at a snails pace, analyze every move, etc etc. Not real fighters.

My instructor practically beats the **** out you of during class. He doesn't focus on all the really flashy (read ineffective) stuff that would never work against resistence. Just nit and grit, practical techniques.

My point is, its not all bad. You have to find an instructor who isn't caught up in all the hype.

Everybody here has a thing about ninjitsu. Good thing you can roll with it, Fusen, because not everybody is so kind about it.

Welcome to Bullshido.

Learn wrestling.

But you have to incorporate it into live sparring, while trying to incorporate your previous experience in order to fully gauge your ability though. If your friend is a wrestling coach it is not enough for him to teach you 'techniques'. You will need to constantly drill them, and then actually WRESTLE.

But if you mention locks and pressure points again I will have to flame the fucking **** out of you.

Hey, its all good. I have been to seminars in the Bujinkan and trained with instructors and students, and sit back and think that "These people would be seriously injured in a real fight". A lot of schools teach this tip tap, soft form of ninjutsu. Their students move at a snails pace, analyze every move, etc etc. Not real fighters.

My instructor practically beats the **** out you of during class. He doesn't focus on all the really flashy (read ineffective) stuff that would never work against resistence. Just nit and grit, practical techniques.

My point is, its not all bad. You have to find an instructor who isn't caught up in all the hype.


look out everybody! he has the real ninjitsu.

as for wrestling. it will increase your balance, and give you strong takedowns. on the ground you will learn dominant positions, but no submissions. (im assuming is freestyle or folk style wrestling)

My instructor practically beats the **** out you of during class. He doesn't focus on all the really flashy (read ineffective) stuff that would never work against resistence. Just nit and grit, practical techniques.


Why does every Ninja say this? Do a search and indulge yourself in many of the long reads about what is wrong with Taijutsu.

Ironically, every Bunjikan member always states that most Ninjas are ineffective fighters, however, they are part of the select few that know the REAL Taijutsu. And they all come and post here...

Wrestling will not be enough. While offering excellent takedown and positioning skills, you'll be lacking the submission/submission defense skills. Call me a cynic, but I don't think your Ninja training will give you those submission skills. If you don't believe me, enroll in a formal BJJ/MMA/Judo program.

Learn wrestling.

But if you mention locks and pressure points again I will have to flame the fucking **** out of you.


ok???

Why does every Ninja say this? Do a search and indulge yourself in many of the long reads about what is wrong with Taijutsu.

Ironically, every Bunjikan member always states that most Ninjas are ineffective fighters, however, they are part of the select few that know the REAL Taijutsu. And they all come and post here...

Wrestling will not be enough. While offering excellent takedown and positioning skills, you'll be lacking the submission/submission defense skills. Call me a cynic, but I don't think your Ninja training will give you those submission skills. If you don't believe me, enroll in a formal BJJ/MMA/Judo program.


First of all, please don't call it Ninja training. As of yet, I have yet to be given my grappling hook and taught how to climb buildings and throw smoke bombs.

Second of all, I have no idea why most members would say that.

Lastly, I never said I knew the REAL Taijutsu. All I stated was that the instruction of that taijutsu is different than most schools I have visited.


Now onto the wrestling part. I am just looking for something to get me started really.

look out everybody! he has the real ninjitsu.

as for wrestling. it will increase your balance, and give you strong takedowns. on the ground you will learn dominant positions, but no submissions. (im assuming is freestyle or folk style wrestling)


Man, you guys really do have bugs up your ass about ninjutsu.

I wasn't aware (because I have no experience with it) that wrestling did not have submissions. I am new to the ground fighting, so what would you consider a submission, for an example?

I seriously don't understand why this system (Ninjutsu) gets such a bad rap here.

Sadly, many members here have experienced Ninja-related traumas in their early lives.

JKDChick, for example, had her whole clan exterminated by ninjas, and she naturally swore revenge. I think that Yrkoon was raised by Ninjas, but they were from an evil Ninja clan, so he split with them and was disowned. Or was it that they weren't evil enough? I forget.

BatRonin IS an active duty Ninja, but he has to conceal it (contractual obligations) under a tough judo-and-kyokushin facade. :zicon_bat

Bring some caltrops and poison shuriken to the next throwdown and you'll get some respect, I promise.

Chokes and armbars are the common examples of submissions (watch some good MMA ground fights to get an understanding of that), though there are countless submissions overall (leg locks, neck cranks, whatever). Anything that will make someone tap out.

Wrestling does not have this element. Matches are won by points for superior positioning.

If you're serious about this, don't waste your time rolling around with your wrestling buddy once every two weeks. Sign up for a few weeks of classes at a BJJ/MMA school. It will simultenously give you a feel for the ground game and show you what is lacking in your Ninja training and why everyone is making fun of you.

Bring some caltrops and poison shuriken to the next throwdown and you'll get some respect, I promise.


Maybe I should wear my hood to, just so I can look legitimate.

Chokes and armbars are the common examples of submissions (watch some good MMA ground fights to get an understanding of that), though there are countless submissions overall (leg locks, neck cranks, whatever). Anything that will make someone tap out.

Wrestling does not have this element. Matches are won by points for superior positioning.

If you're serious about this, don't waste your time rolling around with your wrestling buddy once every two weeks. Sign up for a few weeks of classes at a BJJ/MMA school. It will simultenously give you a feel for the ground game and show you what is lacking in your Ninja training and why everyone is making fun of you.


I live in a rural area with no access to those kinds of classes. I guess I have to take what I can get.