Thats pretty much what we teach them. The odds that a soldier will be ALONE when facing the enemy is very low. Still the basic skill in learning to subdue an individual is needed whether is his met on the battlefeild or getting his haji panties in a bunch over a book and a toilet. Soldiers need to know how to put the smackdown.

The guy is an embecile. He's upset that the military chose techniques that have been SHOWN to work instead of the techniques he favors that work IN THEORY.

I workout/train with a bunch of Army Combatives guys from Ft. Sill. They say that because of all the heavy equipment and armor, the idea is to grapple the bad guy just long enough for your buddy to show up and shoot him in the face.

You know, I've heard arguments that this is why the guard was originally developed in feudal Japan as well.

Obviously Phil doesn't realize that not all h2h situations take place on a battlefield. Being able to subdue your opponent without using lethal force is necessary in many situations one might face in the military.

Such as peacekeeping duties or in situations with extremely restrictive rules of engagement.

Such as peacekeeping duties or in situations with extremely restrictive rules of engagement.

According to Phil all fights are to the death, so there.

PS: the presence of body armour, methinks, would also remove the concern for lava and glass on the floor, even if we were inclined to take that argument seriously.

According to Phil all fights are to the death, so there.

PS: the presence of body armour, methinks, would also remove the concern for lava and glass on the floor, even if we were inclined to take that argument seriously.

It would also make a great many strikes a lot less effective than they'd otherwise be.

Phil claims that the current Army hand to hand combat manual is crap because it contains BJJ, and writes that (snort snicker) the stilted karate-like Applegate unarmed stuff is better.


That's because Applegate is a messiah for RBSD freaks. Never mind the fact this antiquated ("old school") material was produced over six decades ago.

It would also make a great many strikes a lot less effective than they'd otherwise be.

Try and post this at Pax Bacculum. I dare you. Your common sense fu is no match for their lock-thread-and-ban-poster jutsu.

I mean, hooks and shin kicks and uppercuts may be deflected or blocked by body armour, but the Combatives Chin Jab(tm) cares not for such obstacles.

Isnt there some petition we could all sign to just tell him how much everyone hates him?

I like how he says there's nothing in on not going to the ground, then talks about the knife, bayonet, and club stuff in it. Then he blames the change in the manual on the "popularity of BJJ" - which is almost as known as Ashida Kim outside of some very specific circles.

This would be a good time for Asia to take him up on his offer of rebuttal.

An interesting thought occurs to me - maybe someone who knows about these things could clarify - are people wearing the ceramic kinds of body armor vulnerable to chokes that could involve their own armor? Are they easier to control because they're firmly attached to ready-made handles? Are armbars easier to set painfully because of the armor edges?

Try and post this at Pax Bacculum. I dare you.
Do you double dog dare me?

An interesting thought occurs to me - maybe someone who knows about these things could clarify - are people wearing the ceramic kinds of body armor vulnerable to chokes that could involve their own armor? Are they easier to control because they're firmly attached to ready-made handles? Are armbars easier to set painfully because of the armor edges?

As for chokes, not likely.

As for controllability, probably less easy to control due to the lack of flexibility of the armour. Certainly less easy than the blouse or duece gear.

As for armbars, no. Not if the armour fits properly.

These questions raise an interesting point though, which I think is what the Bat was referring to earlier but nobody actually understood his point. (Or maybe everyone understood his point, except for me)

They should actually train in their body armour, especially during any grappling training. Because of the limited grip area while wearing body armour, it seems to me that it would be similar to training no gi, and everyone knows how different no gi is from gi.

Hey, I don't mean to derail but this thread lead me to a funny story. First, I joined PB a while ago just so I can read the context with all the Phil stuff. I figured I would get a skewed view of what was being said by excerpts posted here.

So, I read this thread and follow the link to read the article. Then I go to PB to see if there was any more elaboration on this hilarious interpretation of reality. I stumble across a thread on SHEH forum called "Verticle deflection." I open the thread and see a ridiculous picture of Phil doing what my current coach reffers to affectionately as the iron turtle defense. It's when you raise your elbow up and tuck your hand close to your head to protect from a hook. There are a dozen different names for it.

Here's the rub, in Phil's picture demonstrating it his hand not performing the deflection is down and touching the bicep of the opposite arm, completely defeating the purpose of moving like that to cover the head. So, I decide that was the last straw and I was going to post on PB. I reply to the thread by saying

"I hope you enjoy the hook to the other side of your face, Phil. You might want to put your back hand where you can do something defensive with it next time." I get bored tonight and go to check on it. Banned. I'd pay money to see if there were any replies before my post was deleted.

Here you go, I accept paypal...

His hand is in a good position if he anticipates the hook...it is set up for an ax hand to the inside of the elbow / hook as he (or followed by) the hair brush down into the face.

After that, snafu rules.

Oh, good. I haven't banned a troll in a little while.

(The off hand is in a defensive position in that photo.)


I hope you enjoy the hook to the other side of your face if you try it like that, Phil. Next time you may want to keep your back hand somewhere where you can use it defensively.

This isn't a guard, it is a quick shield designed to stop you from getting KTFO. Combine that with aggressive forward drive as you crash in and you will be able to get in side the power of the strike and further protect yourself. When I use a shield like that my next move is to latch on the striking arm and use that off hand to hammer straight up into the throat or chin. I personally don't believe in that Mr. Myagi block everything until he gets tired approach. I either act first, intercept the strike or as a last ditch attempt throw up a shield then I get back on the offensive.

I wrote an article on this type of shielding for a previous issue of The Martialist™. I am at work so I don't have access to it or I would quote some parts out of it for those of you who do not subscribe. Maybe I will post a picture and a few quotes when I get home tommorrow.and your post wasn't deleted BTW