Based on pictures and first hand reports from ADCC, the nogi panams and what I saw at a recent tournament, women's grappling is pretty damn legit and there are some great competitiors.

Is women's boxing still the ridiculous slap fest I saw on ESPN 10 years ago?

Sometimes.
Remeber its alot easier for women to get into grappling mode than punch- in- the- face mode.
Female Judo is great and always has been, samething with wrestling.

I wish this were a Muy Thai fight. Now that would be asstastic.

I'd rather see the two of them team up and do a 2-on-1 handicap match vs. Roni.
They would be allowed to wear MMA gloves and Roni should be forced to wear HUGE 18 oz. gloves, a Batman Cape (complete with pointy cowl), and, of course, his thong.

I'd rather see the two of them team up and do a 2-on-1 handicap match vs. Roni.
They would be allowed to wear MMA gloves and Roni should be force to wear HUGE 18 oz. gloves, a Batman Cape (complete with pointy cowl), and, of course, his thong.

I would prefer a grappling match, in baby oil....

Keep the thong and cape though, right?

The winner should challenge Lucia Rijker. Lucia challenged Ali a couple of times but for some reason Ali doesn't want to fight her. As far as this fight goes....... i wanna see it!!!

http://www.luciarijker.net/index1.htm

different weight division.

I'll tell you one thing - it'll probably be a better fight then the ME.

And her record may be a little padded, but it's not like all those other women were kittens in restrictive sacks and she just hit them with mallets while they mewed in submission. It'll be a fight.

And this pretty much sums up how I feel about Muhammed Ali (minus the part about black skin - can't relate)


I see your face in front of me, still grainy
From that old black'n'white TV
My whole family silent,
Watchin' you shape destiny witcha two hands
Faster than the eye could see...

Mesmerising

Y'Know what? Skinny little me, started to strut.
Ten years old, suddenly bold,
'Cos I resolved to live like my hero in the ring...
Be smart, never give an inch, no retreating
An I racked up, respect from teachers, rednecks
And creatures who attack in a pack like insects.
Never, seen the like, not before or since,
A young prince an I remain convinced of his invincibility,
Athletic agility, virility, still a free spirit.
Forever through eternity, stingin' like a bee...
Muhammad Ali.

I want you to know
Your are the o-riginal
I want you to know
Your are the o-riginal
I want you to know
Your are the o-riginal

Your achievements defy belief,
From the belly of the beast
Risin' like yeast yo, my relief from low self-esteem
Came when I saw you rappin' on my TV screen, float.
Like a butterfly that describe my walk to school.
After fight night, I felt so cool
Cos' I was the greatest too.
Love of self born simply out of love for you
An I knew someday people'll love me too
None of the hecklin about my black skin got through.
I woulda walked barefoot through hell for you
It's how I felt back then an I still do so will you
Accept these humble words of praise.
And my gratitude for those glorious days
And meritorious ways instilled in a young mind
Skills sublime,
Yours to mine.

different weight division.

Lucia weighs less right? She said that she didn't care about the weight difference and would fight any woman.

Lucia weighs less right? She said that she didn't care about the weight difference and would fight any woman.

Yeah, that sounds like her.

Despite my extreme lust for Toughill, I'd say Ali.

Yeah, I've seen Ali fight. She's actually pretty good, but Erin's no slouch. Still, it's Ali's game and I think she'll take it by KO in the 4th.

I'm gonna have to say the fight is gonna be Erin in the 6th by a TKO. Referee's stoppage most likely.

Erin has had more experience fighting tougher opponents. Ali on the other hand has dodged several fighters (Ann Wolfe for one)

Look at Ali's record so far (Names and statistics courtesy of wban.net)

http://www.wban.org/biog/lali.htm

Her husband has been hand picking her opponenets in most cases. With the exception of Valerie Mahfood I don't think Ali has ever fought a fighter that hasn't just been debuting or has come out of retirement for a payday. Of cource I might be wrong.

None of Toughil's wins have been by KO, whereas Ali has 17 kos under her belt. As much as I want it to happen I just can't see Toughil knocking out Ali.