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We now return you to your regularly scheduled thread already in progress. . . .

--J.D.

Lane is exactly correct........

I only want to add that a well trained fighter (someone who spars with basic skills often and has achieved a high level of proficiency even under pressure) will be more congnizant of what is going on and will therefore perform better in an altercation.


And to all the BJKers that say "but I can break a neck or pull out throats"........... My question is "have you done it?" how do you know that it is dependable?

Sport fighting techniques were used in combat by Ancient Greek and Roman soldiers and they learned and tested them through full contact sparring and contest. Just like every warrior culture until the evolution of the ninja dork and the larper.

Be thankful that there are laws to protect you from having to prove your bullshit against a sportfighter.............ON the street even...........Cause knowing Judo or Bjj don't mean that you can't knife or shoot someone.

Once again, I'd recommend *doing* judo before talking.

You see, if one does not have proper ukemi, one ends up on his neck. It is not through the benevolence of my partner that I end on my back, but because I know when he fits in for a seoi nage I had better prepare to take a hard fall or wind up injured.

Like me.

14 weeks on and I'm still fucked...

So if you can't win on the mat, you can't win on the street.

:coffee: So, if a grappler stepped into a boxing ring and was handed his ass in a boxing match..........

Sorry, I couldn't resist. That logic isn't always accurate. :icon_mrgr

:coffee: So, if a grappler stepped into a boxing ring and was handed his ass in a boxing match..........

Sorry, I couldn't resist. That logic isn't always accurate. :icon_mrgr

Then he needs to work on his boxing. :new_smile

But,,,,,, who would you put your money on in a real fight? Or in an octagon?

Tank Abbott.

No. The point of judo is to successfully execute a throw resulting in an ippon, or pin the guy for 30 seconds.

And yes, your opponent in judo tries to make everything hard for you. That's what resisting training is.

Also armlock/choke.

Or holding someone in the red zone until they get so many penalties that you win! *shiftyeyes* (I saw this one at the Sunshine State games a few years ago. They're taking it away now.)

Be thankful that there are laws to protect you from having to prove your bullshit against a sportfighter.............ON the street even...........Cause knowing Judo or Bjj don't mean that you can't knife or shoot someone.

You weren't required to take the Judoka Oath that said you would fight by the Rules of Judo or suffer the pain of the ghost of Kano coming for your soul?

I know it's over a year old but the topic is allready pulled up so what the heck...


Almost enough to make me want to quit.

Please don't struggle no more David.
The MMA/BJJ people around here really seem to like you for doing your BJJ thing and willingly kick against various BJK guys.
Why suffer for being on board of a train in the wrong direction?

But on the other hand ; it seems trendy here to quit some kind of ninjutsu style and then throw mud at it...

Damn ; i even have the guts to actually say this to a bujinkan shihan.. time to get my ass kicked again in Kasukabe tomorrow...

If we're going to open up the who pwns whom arguement, specialists vs. generalists, the answer is: Neither. It's about the individual, the quality of their training and the environment of the encounter.

That's a touch vague. It's about the ability of one person to place the other in a siatuation where their skillset is inferior. If you're a specialist you should be training how to get opponents into that situation no matter what they are good at. If you're more of an all-around kind of guy it boils down to the ability to complete your game to such an extent that you can always find something in which your skills are better.

It's my opinion that this aspect of training has fallen by the wayside until recently. BJJ was revolutionary in being a specialist game that concentrated on forcing you into their speciality (and in the process, showed that 99% of strikers were specialists too who wouldn't admit to it).

As for the "sport versus street" thing, that's been done to death. I think it's irrelevant except for two areas:

1) Stalling. One of the things I vividly remember from working with a judo coach is him talking about how, from a self-defense perspective (but not for shiai), he felt that full-on turtling was basically bullshit. He also didn't believe in anything else that depended on the guy staying down with you despite you doing nothing to prevent him from rising up and hitting or leaving.

2) Pacing and resting. This looks like it's actually getting weeded out of MMA, but it's part of sport striking. Things like overuse of the jab as a defensive strategy and moving in and out of distance are basically lost on some guy who is just going to close and haul off on you. The response I see from overly defensive strikers is that somebody rushing them like this is just going to get angled and KOed, but meh. Sanda's penalties for non-engagement seem like a good way to discourage this.

ive never seen mma deal with a multiple attack its for egotistical cage fighting its for bieng tunnel vision another thing bujinkan has over mma is the other skills ive never heard of a MMA class dealing with stealth. heres an example u wake up and hear somone in you kitchen you walk down the stirs and see he has a gun by the time uve made it down stairs hes ready to shoot were as if you know how to stalk you can catch him off gaurd.i do however like the way they train in MMA and i think that its a leson for people in other styles to train i just dont think its that practical in a real life and death situation sorry for the bad spelling

No excuses for bad spelling.All it takes is to right-click.Copy and paste into Word.

Are you actually going to tell us that you train by sneaking around your home in ninja outfit?

What do your parents think of you doing this in their home?

ive never seen mma deal with a multiple attack its for egotistical cage fighting its for bieng tunnel vision another thing bujinkan has over mma is the other skills ive never heard of a MMA class dealing with stealth. heres an example u wake up and hear somone in you kitchen you walk down the stirs and see he has a gun by the time uve made it down stairs hes ready to shoot were as if you know how to stalk you can catch him off gaurd.i do however like the way they train in MMA and i think that its a leson for people in other styles to train i just dont think its that practical in a real life and death situation sorry for the bad spelling


Whereas if you're a ninja, you sneak down, hurl a shuriken into his throat, flip over the bannister, and behead his comrades with your katana, right?

If you really believe this you're BEYOND our help. If someone breaks into your house, the intelligent thing to do is to lock yourself in a closet and call the cops. If you absolutely have to defend yourself, use a firearm. When one is using a shotgun, the question of stealth becomes moot.

A mixed martial artist stands the best chance of any trained fighter of coming out OK in a physical altercation. But no one, not even ninjers, are supermen. No one is bullet-proof, and no one, read NO ONE, should attempt to attack an opponent armed with a firearm.

Lane that was a strawman argument if I've ever heard one.


Whereas if you're a ninja, you sneak down, hurl a shuriken into his throat, flip over the bannister, and behead his comrades with your katana, right?

If you really believe this you're BEYOND our help

When did he say anything about that? I'm pretty sure he said you could sneak and take a peek, big deal. Not saying I agree with what he said, because a guy in my house with a gun isnt something to go be curious about, but lets not make arguments towards something people never said.


A mixed martial artist stands the best chance of any trained fighter of coming out OK in a physical altercation.

Thats purely opinion and I'd LOVE to see where you get your information from.

Lane that was a strawman argument if I've ever heard one.



When did he say anything about that? I'm pretty sure he said you could sneak and take a peek, big deal. Not saying I agree with what he said, because a guy in my house with a gun isnt something to go be curious about, but lets not make arguments towards something people never said.



Thats purely opinion and I'd LOVE to see where you get your information from.


Hows Rob doing?