Hey, I have been a martial arts student for a while and have been in a few Mcdojo's before finding a proper martials arts school,but im very interested in this konigun ninjutsu.I know that bujikan is the only ninjutsu school left that can trace their lineage back but this school does not look so ridiculous as all the other wannebes who claim they are ninja's.They probably arent real but I was wondering if anyone has any other info than they have provided on the site like where they come from or anything else useful that can help me try and trace these guys and for interest sake see if its a load of crap.(Which it probably is like most schools claiming to teach ninjutsu.)
I have already noticed that their nature survival tactics is a lot like what is taught to american special forces.

I couldn't even get to their website (www.konigunninjutsu.com/).


I have already noticed that their nature survival tactics is a lot like what is taught to american special forces.

So you were in the American Special Forces, or have in some way seen the training given to American Special Forces?

HA HA HA. I am the first to point the finger of righteous indignation at this ninja neophyte.

Well, before you get too far down the road to disaster I'd like to say a few words about the positive side of ninjutsu:

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Normally I would quip here and attempt to thrash you with my glib reparte' ; unfortunately, I'm fresh out.


The negative side of ninjutsu. OY-VEY! What the hell are you talking about man! Don't you know about lead poisoning? Now the water that comes out of lead plumbing is cold, and will keep you hydrated; but, will cause increasingly severe damage to your nervous system and will eventually cause a loss of motor function and mild mental retardation.

Have you ever been to Special forces training? Mostly they just sit around watching TV and sleeping alot. You can do that at home and save yourself some spare change. Why would you want to buy all that stupid gear anyway? I mean, the toe wedgie HAS GOT to be uncomfortable. Not to mention unsanitary. I mean, if you get athlestes foot... well, i can tell you it looks like it would be really uncomfortable.

The only thing I can say about ninja's really is that I always wanted to kill one with a throwing star. I figured that would be poetic irony and a true tribute to the 80's. It would also have to make that cool wizzing sound effect from all the Sho Kasugi movies.

BTW, did you know Sonny Chiba's name translates to Sonny Penis. That's fucked up yo.

Soz,maybe i said it wrong but i never claimed to have trained with special forces or to be one or to know one.I went to the konigun site and they had samples of watever they say they teach and lots of the stuff in survival training like their animal traps are almost the same as the stuff i hav seen in books on special forces tactics.I never claimed to be an expert and i dont want to train with them or claim they are real.Im just looking into it for interestsake because i was wondering where these people stole their curriculum from.That stuff has to come from somewhere.
Like the kogas we know are fake because their grand master died in a car crash and his top 2 students ,now im just wondering where these guys come from because up untill a weeks ago i didnt even know who these guys where and now they are claiming linaege for up to 800 years back.
I thought Bullshido was about uncovering all the nonsense out there in order to help other martial artists from lunatics like ashida kim and all the other Mcdojo owners from looking to make a fast buck out of who want to become or are real martial artists,not to bash other members for no apparent reason chris_ketchens.

The topic post reeked of someone trying, very poorly, to hide their interest in picking up a bullshit style by claiming they just wanted to see a trainwreck.


Hey, I have been a martial arts student for a while and have been in a few Mcdojo's before finding a proper martials arts school,but im very interested in this konigun ninjutsu.I know that bujikan is the only ninjutsu school left that can trace their lineage back but this school does not look so ridiculous as all the other wannebes who claim they are ninja's.They probably arent real but I was wondering if anyone has any other info than they have provided on the site like where they come from or anything else useful that can help me try and trace these guys and for interest sake see if its a load of crap.(Which it probably is like most schools claiming to teach ninjutsu.)
I have already noticed that their nature survival tactics is a lot like what is taught to american special forces.


not to bash other members for no apparent reason chris_ketchens.

Maybe not, but we do bash people when there is an apparent reason.

There's actually three schools that can be considered to teach actual ninjutsu: Bujinkan, Jinenkan, and Genbukan. If you want cheesy and fake ninjutsu, you might as well skip the Konigun and go right for Ashida Kim's style.

I thought Bullshido was about .... not to bash other members for no apparent reason who are chris_ketchens.
I totaly misread this.

Yeah I guess it must look like that but thats not what i meant.Soz my mistake.Obs they are a bunch of frauds that teach somekind of rip off from karate/kung fu or something and run around in the bush?I was just wondering who they where because since a week ago Is the first time i heard about these guys.Well watever I was just wondering if anyone knew anything of these people.
Talking about ashida I read somewhere on the net that he is building a ninja temple?A Ninja temple?How many deluded students does that luntic have that he is building a ninja temple?:bduh:

If you knew they sucked why did you bother to ask? What is it about them that interests you? Are you stalking them? Do they have pretty young boys in their classes?

"Mom, I was just looking at that German goat porn so that I could be sure to stay away from it later. I didn't want to masturbate to the German goat porn, I just wanted to see how sick it was so that I would remember that I didn't like it."

And your sneakly little attempt to deflect the heat off your poor misguided self by referring to Ashida Kim's temple-building has just backfired upon you. Ashida Kim managed to dodge out of that accusation by saying that his "temple" is the "world" and yada yada yada. It's in the many threads on him. So no, in a most un-like ninja fashion, you aren't going to be able to sidetrack this soon-to-be memorable burn that's going to be delivered.

The style is total garbage. If it wasn't down at the moment, I'd recommend you go to e-budo and look in the bad budo section. The thread on konigun ninjutsu was so long it had to be closed. There were numerous testimonies, some from "true believer" type students, but more from people who had previously trained there and found that not only was it crap, but the instructor had been in legal trouble or something (can't remember exactly what it was now) and had also acted inappropriately. Do yourself a favour and stay away

Thanx benkei.Thats all i wanted to know.Dudes listen im new to surfing the web for info on martial arts so if you want to flame then flame me.I have no interest in fighting with anyone and no didnt know that ashida said some crap about the world is his temple cause i havent been surfing so long and reading forums,i have just heard about him now.The same goez for the other style,was just interested in who and what they are and thanx to benkei now i know.I do Wing chun and have no interest in joining another school anytime soon ,i just like being informed.

Once again on a different note i just discoverd this gem while reading through one of bullshido's forums and following a link to some kind of forum for ashida's students.This was :laughing6 "Grand Master Ashida Kims" :laughing6 reply to an question.Even though the guy was just fucking with him he was serious for the first few posts.

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Masaaki Matsumoto
Testing Honorability
Posts: 1
(8/15/04 3:44)
Reply a question to for you,
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How long until kill by willing to happen?

Edited by: Masaaki Matsumoto at: 8/15/04 3:48

Ashida Kim
Master
Posts: 219
(8/15/04 6:26)
Reply Depends...
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Depends on the level of skill and determination of the "willer." But, what most often happens is that all the negative energy of trying to will your enemy to death affects you instead, making you bitter and ill.
A better course is to let the enemy's own bad karma bring about his demise. Remember, with Jedi Mind Tricks like this, you can't make a wave to crush the enemy, only a ripple that you hope will have an effect on him. Unless you have a lot of patience it is easier just to smack him or let it go and concentrate on making your own life better, rather than letting the enemy drag you down.
Hakune Matada!

Ashida Kim

Masaaki Matsumoto
Testing Honorability
Posts: 2
(8/17/04 14:27)
Reply i thinking...
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maybee like funnel, i try to put negitive to other....instead of make new.....tak what i have and give away. That will work?

Ashida Kim
Master
Posts: 227
(8/18/04 6:14)
Reply LOL
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No, forget the enemy. Expect nothing. IF the enemy (any enemy old or new) comes within arm's reach and IF he attacks you, kill him in self defense. Otherwise he does not exist. You cannot let your desire for revenge eat you up and that is what it takes to kill by willing. The cost is too great, no one wins, both are lost.

Ashida Kim



Masaaki Matsumoto
Testing Honorability
Posts: 3
(8/18/04 8:35)
Reply ok....
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so no will kill. what if try mind control to make suiside? mabee not work to.

Ashida Kim
Master
Posts: 228
(8/18/04 9:56)
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Wrong, there is such a thing as "kill by will alone." Your enemy is doing it to YOU.
Whether he "sent a magic spell" or just scared you so badly you can't forget it, it is HIS spirit inside of YOU that is an example of killing by will alone because you are destroying yourself by dwelling on revenge.
Try "killing him in your dream," that will relieve the psychological pressure.
But, remember, you cannot "settle the score later." Each battle is its own contest, there are no "do overs" or adequate revenge.

Ashida Kim

Masaaki Matsumoto
Testing Honorability
Posts: 4
(8/18/04 11:12)
Reply hahaha
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mabe i think you answer wrong question....i ask when will kill is possible, not let me do it to enimy...haha i hav no enemy. no revenge to take. just want to kno when i can do it!

Ashida Kim
Master
Posts: 229
(8/18/04 11:51)
Reply Never Enough Is It?
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Oh now we play the "you misunderstood my question" game, eh? LOL
Saw it coming. All the pigeon English and misspelled words were a dead giveaway.
When will YOU be able to do it? Never, because you are a fool.
I have explained how it works quite clearly, but you are still not satisfied. You cannot inflict this technique on anyone else, only on yourself.
See guys, just another troll.
Got to admit, they are a persistent lot, LOL

Ashida Kim

Sasuke, I just have to say something...

I have to agree with previous posters when they said that you were disguising your desire to join a ninjitsu school by saying they were phonies. Why? Your name... If it is what I think it is. Now, not wanting to flame you or anything, but ....

You will never be able to perform kage bunshin no jutsu.

(For those who do not know, Sasuke is the name of a main character in a Japanese anime called "Naruto", which is all about ninjas. Sasuke, in particular, is a "genius ninja".)

I do Wing chun and have no interest in joining another school anytime soon ,i just like being informed.

[/sarcasm]You practice Wing Chun? Do you happen to have the real Wing Chun? I have the real Konigun Ninjutsu with proper lineage scrolls and will trade you for your vast knowledge of Wing Chun.[sarcasm]


Why do you ask "is this school BS or not?" if you have no intent of joining? The follies of modern Ninjutsu are well-known and you only add to the already-established point.

Sasuke, you will never be sharingan!
Or whatever it is.
Seriously, just join a MMA place.