If my point is so difficult to understand.

1.I was just looking for info because they interrested me.Not to join,just to see where they came from.

2.I am from south africa.Why is this valid?Cause someone said i was just using this as an excuse to cover my ass.

3.I watch Naruto and that does not make me a ninja wannebe because otherwise there would be a hell of a lot more of them out there.

4.I do kung fu.Shaolin,Wing chun and seven star mantis.

5.Yes they do work and all 3 in their own right are styles that work.Not better than someone elses style or the great ultimate killer styles.They just are very effective standing striking styles.

6.My spelling sucks.Well luckily im not applying for a job wounded ronin,im just posting on a website.Why does does my spelling suck?English is not my first language,afrikaans is.Do i care?No.

&.Yes i am also aware that this post started out with me opening myself up for flaming but im new at this and i will pick my words more carefully so in the future to avoid another miss understanding.

9.No i have no interest in arguing with you guys that are attempting to start a flame war.


Now that i have said what i have said i just want to make a point.What is it with everyone and styles?Given there is a lot of trash out there like I watched something about a guy that created something called combat ki.Its ridiculous.People running around hissing and being kicked in the nuts for a black belt.Or ashida and his capoeira dog fighting tactics.But im talking about styles that have either been around
for a while(50 years or longer)or styles that have proven themselves to the martial arts comunity.From these I think there is no one ultimate style.There are too many variables.I think it matters firstly from martial artist to martial arist and then you have curcumstance added as well.
I mean in the real world you cant weigh how long youve trained against how much he trained and if he has a natural talent for a style and so on and so on...
My point is its not only the style that you do that matters,that is but a small part,its the martial artist that does the style that matters.

Yes, I am portraying myself to be a "goddam" [sic] idiot. I took out my oil paints and a canvas and produced a self-portrait of myself. The self-portrait depicted me burning in hell with the drooling lips and rolling eyes of an idiot. Because I portray myself as a "goddam" idiot, rather than act like a "goddam" idiot.

From www.dictionary.com:
From the Oxford English dictionary;


4. esp. To represent or depict in words; to describe vividly or graphically; to set forth.

c1366 CHAUCER A.B.C. 81 Ladi {th}i sorwe kan j not portreye. 1387 TREVISA Higden (Rolls) I. 27 In {th}e firste book of {th}is werk..mappa mundi is purtrayed and i-peynt [L. describitur]. 1586 MARLOWE 1st Pt. Tamburl. II. i, Well hast thou pourtray'd in thy terms of life The face and personage of a wondrous man. a1662 HEYLIN Laud II. 237 He that desires to pourtray England in her full structure of external glory. 1796 MORSE Amer. Geog. I. 315 note, It remains for future ages to pourtray the virtues and exploits of this truly great man. 1846 TRENCH Mirac. Introd. (1862) 51 We having in the Gospels the lively representation of our Lord portrayed for us.


It's a common metaphore. Get over it. He was giving you the benifit of the doubt that you might not be a dick in real life.

Ps.

CHAUCER-PW£D!!

Hey, I have been a martial arts student for a while and have been in a few Mcdojo's before finding a proper martials arts school,but im very interested in this konigun ninjutsu.I know that bujikan is the only ninjutsu school left that can trace their lineage back but this school does not look so ridiculous as all the other wannebes who claim they are ninja's.They probably arent real but I was wondering if anyone has any other info than they have provided on the site like where they come from or anything else useful that can help me try and trace these guys and for interest sake see if its a load of crap.(Which it probably is like most schools claiming to teach ninjutsu.)
I have already noticed that their nature survival tactics is a lot like what is taught to american special forces.


[sarcasm]I'm curious but will never study Ninjitsu but Shaolin and Wing Chun work but I live in South Africa but I talk like I want to join a school in America but no one believes that I live in South Africa but i speak afrikaans but my friend wants you mean guys to answer my question but it was already answered but people are making fun of me but punctuation sucks but it is 2005 and im new to the internet but life sucks because im doing South African WC and Shaolin but army rangers rock. [sarcasm]

Im angry because of the people portraying themselves to be goddam idiots. Stop looking for fights and just answer peoples questions.
Welcome to Bullshido :new_astha

Mega jesus-san how do you want me to prove i live in south africa?I can speak afrikaans and say things like jy is n groot vet poes kop wat net kak soek met mens omdat hy nie n lewe het nie.Nou wat nou doos?

Latina dico, sum Romano ergo. nihil attinet.


.Do you have nothing better to do than try and start fights?

Nope.


I say wing chun and shaolin works.Not anyone elses style sucks or its the best style or any ridiculous stuff like that,just that it works.Prove it?Firstly how?Go desparately find clips of my style in order to please some asshole that lives a few continents away that will probably just find some explanation why my style still sucks?

This is just a cop out to avoid posting good videos of WC and Shaolin.


Secondly why?Why would i waste my time?

Because you made an affirmitive claim.


And you ask why would i do something that doesnt interest me?Well dickhead if you read properly i said i was interested in them and before you say ha yes you just said you where interested in them not to join but because as i have said a million times before i like to be informed.

You said that you weren't interested in this thread, so I wanted to know why you were posting in it.


Who cares about valid spelling or grammar.

Anyone who wants to be taken seriously.


If you have nothing to contribute to the argument at hand then shut the hell up.

Ah, Bartleby! Ah, Irony!


He makes a valid point and if your just too much of a dick to read the post properly then you shouldnt be on a message form.

All he's said is that WC and Shaolin don't suck, but he hasn't supported that at all.


He is entitled to his opinions and so are you, they are all valid, there is no need to bash somebody for their beliefs.

Shut the **** up, hippy. People and beliefs aren't always equal.


3.I watch Naruto and that does not make me a ninja wannebe because otherwise there would be a hell of a lot more of them out there.

Watching Naruto doesn't make someone a ninja wanna-be, it just compounds with your other traits.


5.Yes they do work and all 3 in their own right are styles that work.Not better than someone elses style or the great ultimate killer styles.They just are very effective standing striking styles.

Proof?


6.My spelling sucks.Well luckily im not applying for a job wounded ronin,im just posting on a website.Why does does my spelling suck?English is not my first language,afrikaans is.Do i care?No.

I hate the "English is not my first language" argument. You suck, move on.


9.No i have no interest in arguing with you guys that are attempting to start a flame war.

The only person who has done any flaming is Sedai.


What is it with everyone and styles?Given there is a lot of trash out there like I watched something about a guy that created something called combat ki.Its ridiculous.People running around hissing and being kicked in the nuts for a black belt.Or ashida and his capoeira dog fighting tactics.But im talking about styles that have either been around

Why did you ask this question when you already know the answer? Some arts are just plain ****.

Well Is it fake?? your right,my question was answerd.This argument is pointless.
On my second statement,wing chun works.Prove it?Mega jesus san please enlighten me as to how?

Well Is it fake?? your right,my question was answerd.This argument is pointless.
On my second statement,wing chun works.Prove it?Mega jesus san please enlighten me as to how?

I wanna be a ninja? Wing chun works I just can't say how? I think if you claim that you have super deadly techniques that can kill a grappler but you can practice or name them, someone on Bullshido wins a free ice cream cone.

On my second statement,wing chun works.Prove it?


Well, do you have any evidence that might counter the logical conclusions that would follow about wing chun from the video footage of William Cheung being pathetic and having no idea how to fight when he's jumped by Emin Boztepe? Or, indeed, the video footage of Abdel Cancio vs. David Beneteau?

I mean, what does it say about WC when William Cheung, a grandmaster, demonstrates that he has *no idea* what to do in a fight?

Do you have any verifiable evidence (i.e. video) of a WC person defeating a powerful and competent opponent?

Here is a clip of a wing chun festival in Estonia, some nice chi sao and sparring included.

People always moan, they never see wing chun students sparring properly. Here is and example of a good school in Estonia.

Just ignore the gay demonstration by the chicks and little kids halfway through as its obviously staged, otherwise the clip is pretty good

http://www.meihua.ee/video/fest_wtcf_estonia.wmv

That was awful. Really. Just terrible. I've been hit harder than that in judo and they don't even let you hit each other.

your martial art < my training accidents



Here is a clip of a wing chun festival in Estonia, some nice chi sao and sparring included.

People always moan, they never see wing chun students sparring properly. Here is and example of a good school in Estonia.

Just ignore the gay demonstration by the chicks and little kids halfway through as its obviously staged, otherwise the clip is pretty good

http://www.meihua.ee/video/fest_wtcf_estonia.wmv

I would say so there,but wat good will it do,you guys will probably find something wrong with it as well.
Thanx sedai.There is a good clip of wing chun sparring.
You know what is bothering me is that why does there have to be some clip on the net proving a style works.I have seen some styles on this forum,especially styles somepeople that have been dissing wing chun claim to do that i am pretty sure if i had to ask them to produce some clip that their style works they would probably
not be able to.Im not saying those styles dont work im just saying that there will probs not be a clip on the net that is undisputeable proof that it works as with most styles.

You know what is bothering me is that why does there have to be some clip on the net proving a style works.
There doesn't. Anybody other than current wing chun students corroborating that fact would work too.


I have seen some styles on this forum,especially styles somepeople that have been dissing wing chun claim to do that i am pretty sure if i had to ask them to produce some clip that their style works they would probably
not be able to.
By all means.


Im not saying those styles dont work im just saying that there will probs not be a clip on the net that is undisputeable proof that it works as with most styles.
Any other evidence would do, I think.

I would say so there,but wat good will it do,you guys will probably find something wrong with it as well.

It looked like a sissy tapfight to me. I didn't see anyone who looked like they were in pain, or anyone shudder with a hit.


Thanx sedai.There is a good clip of wing chun sparring.

What do the bad ones look like?


You know what is bothering me is that why does there have to be some clip on the net proving a style works.

There doesn't have to be. There's proof other than videos.


I have seen some styles on this forum,especially styles somepeople that have been dissing wing chun claim to do that i am pretty sure if i had to ask them to produce some clip that their style works they would probably
not be able to.

Most people here are in styles which are known to not suck. The rest don't make any affirmitive claims until they can provide evidence.


Im not saying those styles dont work im just saying that there will probs not be a clip on the net that is undisputeable proof that it works as with most styles.

Cop out!

Ok, I restate my question how do I prove it?This is actually quite useless.The reason why i say so is because you guys will find something wrong with anything i post on here.Even if its proof or not.
Lets say i was to ask you mega-jesus san to prove to me kenjutsu works?Now i hav heard a lot about the style,most of what i have heard was in an aikido class but thats the extent of it and if i had to geuss probably the extent of your knowledge on wing chun will also probss be from the net or books.So lets say i wanted to know that i kenjustu works,please prove it.

Ok, I restate my question how do I prove it?

Videos? Credible accounts?


This is actually quite useless.The reason why i say so is because you guys will find something wrong with anything i post on here.

We can't know that until you post it.


Even if its proof or not.

Why would you bother with something that isn't proof?


Lets say i was to ask you mega-jesus san to prove to me kenjutsu works?Now i hav heard a lot about the style,most of what i have heard was in an aikido class but thats the extent of it and if i had to geuss probably the extent of your knowledge on wing chun will also probss be from the net or books.So lets say i wanted to know that i kenjustu works,please prove it.

Samurai were killing each other with it for centuries, If it wasn't effective, they wouldn't have used it.

Mega Jesus.

Your argument that ken-justu works is that the Samuri where using it for a long time. And if it was not effective they would not have used it.

Partly true. WHat about Aikido ?

Where the Samuri trained in Aikido ? Yes. But Aikido as a rule is not the most effective martial art around.