an open letter to col people, at least those that I know......I hope you are all able to read what has been written here. I guess there is some truth that is going to be provided for you tomorrow. Please read it and ask yourself, what are the other lies not listed? Don't lose out on your family, or your life, while you stay there. Because the day you are not a contributor, you will be pushed out and forgotten. Do you think they are going to take care of you as you age? Heaven forbid if you should be ill and can't bring in the almighty buck. Do you have a nest egg? A retirement plan? You are lucky if you have medical. Those of you who have questions, take some time, get away with yourself and your family so you can think straight. My niece died of cancer 3 years after I left col. She was 31 years old, she was angry for the time that I spent there, and not with her. She wasn't sick while I was there, but we still lost love time and memories. I feel robbed. My priorities were wrong. We don't "take time" for ourselves when we brought children into this world to raise, at least not till they are raised. That is our responsibity. You deserve more than you are getting. I did not get kicked out of col. I left. She wanted me back, but I wouldn't come. Once you lose trust in someone, you have nothing. I missed you all and the "great team work" but bigger things were happening behind the scenes. I don't even blame you for coming after me trying to shut me up. All of you, take care....I wish you nothing but the best..it is up to you to decide the best,.........think hard and wisely

Hey Shadow,

Welcome Back ! So are you gonna cast your vote ? What info would you like to have posted first ??


Hey Chica...

Well, as much as I would like the world to know what she did for a first profession, I would rather they first learn about her actual training, who her instructor was, and what her actual rank was. This goes to the very heart of her credibility. The rest of the info is delicious icing on the cake. But if the world learns and sees documentation about her real rank and training, nothing she says can spin this to her favor, and all other stuff just piles it on afterwards.

Cheers,

Shadow

You mean she's not a 10th dan of some federation? Because you train under an unqualified tkd person, do you get your money back? Do you have to be at a certain level to be able to judge when someone can move up a belt level? Does the Federation that she is part of get fined for not making sure her creditials are acurate? What are all the other Grandmaster's going to think? If you say you are something that you are not, is that false advertising? Is it Monday yet? I can't wait to see this stuff. hello karma

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Well, she claims she was trained by a Buddhist priest. She talks about the severe persecution she faced from her parents for training. She talks about all the sacrifices she made to her master. So... who was her 'master'? Did she face any persecution? What were her 'real' sacrifices?

I wonder why she never directly participates in class? Is it because some of her own students could wipe the floor with her? Even back in '84 she never participated in class. She would lead, but never spar with anyone.

Back in '84 she claimed to be a high level Aikido rank. She is, indeed, a legend in her own mind.

Well Kathy, I didn't have much dinner last night, but tonight we're going to have pasta alla puttanesca...I thought it would be appropriate for the occasion..

Well, she claims she was trained by a Buddhist priest. She talks about the severe persecution she faced from her parents for training. She talks about all the sacrifices she made to her master. So... who was her 'master'? Did she face any persecution? What were her 'real' sacrifices?

I wonder why she never directly participates in class? Is it because some of her own students could wipe the floor with her? Even back in '84 she never participated in class. She would lead, but never spar with anyone.

Back in '84 she claimed to be a high level Aikido rank. She is, indeed, a legend in her own mind.

I think she watched the Kung Fu series with David Carradine on TVand fabricated her story from there.

I'm sorry, I don't mean to sound vindictive. I once would of done anything for this woman. Taken a bullet, what ever it took to make sure she was safe. But knowing first hand of outright lies, that she said many things that hurt people, I had to let my feelings for her go. Whatever is found to be true, is on her. Your col people will still love you, won't they?:bssign: :eusa_booh

:toothy4: wait just one minute What about laying on the eggs and the bricks being broke? Then there is the walking on fire? Laying on glass? Oh I forgot, I saw that at Vience Beach. And even I have walked on fire. And we aren't talking any light weight here. We're talking some serious poundage. mysteries.....brought to light

Sounds great Yeoman....do you want me to bring the...whine:chewy:

Questions for COL:

-What was the reason you joined?
-Has that reason been fulfilled?
-Have you seen the fruits of your labor?
-Do you get to share in those spoils? Are they distributed evenly?
-Why are you not allowed to have TV or Radio, even though she has the biggest TV on the market?
-Why are you debating the claim that it’s the biggest one on the market, that’s beside the point.
-Do you as an adult need someone else to filter the outside world for you? Why?
-Are you afraid of independence?
-Are you financially stable?
-Why do you put your future and retirement in her hands?
-Have you filed for bankruptcy or unemployment since you’ve joined?
-Have you been paid back for the money you lent to her? Or has it since become a gift?
-Why do you work for minimum compensation?
-How much is your salary?
-How much are your COL dues every month?
-Did you know that College Of Learning, Inc. has been suspended?
-How many other related costs are there?
-Is there anything left over?
-Have you fulfilled your dreams? Or have her dreams become yours?
-Why is her closet as big as the rooms that ten people would sleep in?
-Do you believe she deserves all the success that she has? Even if it costs you?
-How many times have you changed your identity (name or looks) since you’ve been there?
-Has she yelled at you? What for? And do you now see things her way?
-Has she smacked you? Hit you? Beaten you? Poked you with sticks? Called you out publicly? Spit on you? Why? (don’t lie, we all know this happens.)
-Are you still telling yourself this never happened? Or are you trying to justify her action?
-Do you keep quiet when you disagree with her? Why?
-Would she be this successful if she had to do the work that you do herself?
-When was the last time you went anywhere without asking permission or telling someone?
-Have you ever been yelled at for leaving without telling someone?
-Are you being honest with yourself right now? Or just mad at me for bringing this up?
-Why do you keep contact with family to a minimum at best?
-Is it because “they wont understand?” And why is that?
-Do you have outside friends that are not in COL or JSW?
-How many pages, texts, e-mails, or phone calls have you received about “purpose” or something COL related today?
-How many status reports, e-mails, pages, messages have you sent to her this day? Week?
-If she is teaching God’s word then why do you bow to her? Its not her message.
-Did you check out her background before you joined?
-Why is her master off limits? If she is passing down the teachings, it would seem you should know some history of the lineage.
-How many of your darkest secrets have you told her?
-Were they all kept in confidence?
-Have any of them come out in COL class?
-Have you ever called up someone who left just to talk?
-Why not? You lived and roomed and spent years and memories together.
-How come the only time you do call someone who left is to do damage control?
-Do people that leave somehow change overnight?
-Have you made up your mind about ex-members based on what TYK tells you about them?
-Then why haven’t you called them to hear their side of the story?
-Are you afraid of what you may find out?
-Have you ever talked about people who left in COL class?
-Then why do you say you don’t?
-Why is it hard to believe that she had a relationship with AG considering her past relations?
-How many times have you agreed to do something for her without question?
-How many times have you lied for her or on her behalf willingly?
-Why would you have to lie for her?
-Why does she give marriage advice after two failed marriages?
-Why does she give child rearing advice when she has none?
-Why can she not be equal to everyone else? Why does she feel it would be stooping to your level?
-Do you believe she is delivering God’s message?
-If the message is what matters, why is it about the money?
-If its not about the money, why does she live in a 6.7 million dollar house?
-If its not about the money, where is your cut of the check?
-Has she made you a promise?
-Has it been kept?
-If you believe so wholeheartedly then why are you not defending her publicly?

Facts:
- Involved in two lawsuits in VT; one for a “sham marriage” and the other for fraud.
- Involved in at least five lawsuits in CA for “fraud” and “breach of contract”
- Declared bankruptcy in 1989.
- Had plastic surgery multiple times.
- Started at least 20 + companies in VT and CA.
-Four of her companies are suspended, Ten are dissolved or inactive, one is Pending Cancel, one is Merged Out, and only four are Active.
-At least Thirty-four people changed their names since joining TYK and/or COL.
-This is all public record. Look for yourself. There is plenty more out there.

One last question: Would a true master have this kind of track record? Even if only allegedly?

We all struggled for years because she’s so convincing. We genuinely wanted what she did and said to be true. We joined for the promise of a better life. Is debt and depression, emotional and physical abuse better than what you had prior to joining? No situation or lifestyle is without good times and bad, but there are certain lines that should not be crossed.
Right now, you hate us. That’s only because you are given false information about us. We have nothing to hide or lose. We prefer not to give out names because we prefer not getting singled out in a class where we do not have a voice. We are not the ones fighting to keep the status quo. If anyone leaves we are approachable and there with open arms. Forgive us if we seem a little skeptical at first. We lived there as brothers and sisters for a long time. If you believe we are “evil, dark side, or in a den of devils” then you haven’t done your homework.


To Tae Yun Kim: Be truthful and respectful to the people who follow you. They are all you have, and all you have is because of them. Never forget that; treat them right and they’ll stand beside you for life. Where would you be without them? Osan? You also made a promise to RP to make him walk again. How dare you promise something you can not deliver. Im sure you did want to help him, but to play on that emotion… When was the last time you even thought about that? You have some questions that need answers.

Sounds great Yeoman....do you want me to bring the...whine:chewy:

After reading Truth Set Free's post, you'd better bring at least two bottles

This raises an interesting question -

Once you leave the cult, can you get a decent paying job? Employers want references and I suspect that Crazy Tae wouldn't give any. So what kind of a work history do you put down on your resume or application for employment?

You know what the best thing is Ma'am? Look around the room at the next COL class. I just might be one of those people sitting there and smiling and doting upon you. Am I in or am I out? Have I made audio tapes of COL classes? Have I made up my mind to leave yet? Or have I left. Figure this out soon. Have I accumulated information over the years? And how much? What are you going to have to deny now? That could be alot of damage control. And if im declaring my undying trust and faith in you at the next COL class, I just might be lying. You created the game, I’m just a player.
Jung Su!

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Monkey see monkey do......do do do all the way home..and it shall be done....the things that can be acomplished when great minds converge. Or even average minds. Talk about looking over your shoulder. Now look in front of you.:icon_chee :new_astha
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Jung Su....I haven't heard that in a long time. What was the meal time prayer Chica, I forgot? I'm sure that all abide by it. Maybe you could print it here.:eusa_booh