A pudgy, dirty old lady. Very unbecoming for someone with all those titles, and with them, should be above reproach in both her public and private life.

How does she have respect when she lowers herself to phone sex with her underlings?

If tapes exist, and if Cultmaster is reactivated, there should be a link to them.



The tapes exist! She is disgusting! Someone should have put a sock in her mouth. That's how she talks to her so called "son".

I can't understand how anyone can respect her or cover up for her. COL'ers are constantly cleaning up her s--t. From what I read, they were suppose to be celibate, yet her sexual acitivites were just as active as when she was working in Korea.

Her surgeries were put on someone else's credit card as I understand.
It is only a matter of time for the rest to catch up to her and it will.

The tapes exist! She is disgusting! Someone should have put a sock in her mouth. That's how she talks to her so called "son".

I can't understand how anyone can respect her or cover up for her. COL'ers are constantly cleaning up her s--t. From what I read, they were suppose to be celibate, yet her sexual acitivites were just as active as when she was working in Korea.

Her surgeries were put on someone else's credit card as I understand.
It is only a matter of time for the rest to catch up to her and it will.

If she was a dirty old man, her sex drive would at some time - ahem - peter out. Is she on hormones that she's still going strong? If so, she's endangering her health, raising her chances of several types of cancer, but what do I care. I'm just stating facts.

Most people in COL are broke and carry a lot of debt. I heard from someone that TYK asked for a list of everyone's debt a couple of years ago. Everyone in COL has debt. Some of the women I lived with were hurting so bad for cash.

What's she going to do with that debtor list? Gloat over how much she's screwed everyone? I doubt that's she'll help them out financially, rather she'll tell them how fortunate they are to have a roof over their heads with her and how they should be grateful for that. The greater the debt, the more she can beat up on them. Maybe even humiliate them in a COL meeting for being unable to manage their finances.

So I take it you heard the tapes !! I told my mom about them, but she first of all questioned me and asked me if I was sure that it was Great Grandmaster Dr. Tae Yun Kim. I told her that I was around for 20+ years. Her voice is unique. That then wasn't a sufficient answer so then she told me that with technology advancing at the rate it is today, that someone took a recording of her voice and manipulated it.

How does someone take an innocent pre-recorded message and morph it into something like " I'm rubbing myself" or "I want to be your slave" or "I'm so wet" ?

Please convince me and I may buy it. But I don't think anyone forced her to say such things.

Tae Yun Kim needs help. Your mother needs to get out of rationalizing everything to benefit Tae Yun Kim. Those tapes weren't doctored by anyone.

Letter to tyk: Remember when you tapped my phone? Well it looks like Karma is coming to get you. That is illegal to do. Gosh how many people are out of col that heard them?
It's a bitch when the tables are turned.

Tae Yun Kim needs help. Your mother needs to get out of rationalizing everything to benefit Tae Yun Kim. Those tapes weren't doctored by anyone.



She is a disgusting old pugdy woman. Isn't it sexual harassment if you receive these phone calls when you are an employee??

The women are attached to Kyong-Ae Kim in a much more intimate way then they claim, that's why the make believe marriage. I wonder if she makes these phone calls to her "daughter-in-laws" as well.

Her voice is very recognizable and her accent is distinct. She has been in this country and laughed at this country for how long and still doesn't know how to speak English.

COL'ers aren't you tired of giving your all, and her taking everything including your self respect? Aren't you tired of cleaning up her mess?

So I take it you heard the tapes !! I told my mom about them, but she first of all questioned me and asked me if I was sure that it was Great Grandmaster Dr. Tae Yun Kim. I told her that I was around for 20+ years. Her voice is unique. That then wasn't a sufficient answer so then she told me that with technology advancing at the rate it is today, that someone took a recording of her voice and manipulated it.

How does someone take an innocent pre-recorded message and morph it into something like " I'm rubbing myself" or "I want to be your slave" or "I'm so wet" ?

Please convince me and I may buy it. But I don't think anyone forced her to say such things.

She should watch the movie "Full Metal Jacket" for some extra tips... such as:

Me so horny!
Me love you long time
Me boom boom long time!

Most people in COL are broke and carry a lot of debt. I heard from someone that TYK asked for a list of everyone's debt a couple of years ago. Everyone in COL has debt. Some of the women I lived with were hurting so bad for cash.

What's sick is that she probably was just trying to figure out who still had some money to give her.

It reminds me of a time when she tried to get everyone to get complete physicals. When it started to be suspected that it was a way to weed out people who might have a serious illness, so they wouldn't be around her, they quieted down about wanting it done.

Hey... if any of you COL'ers think she will really be there for you if you get sick, look at how they barely tolerated JC when she had her problems. There is no two-way comraderie. It is all about kim. Once you become compromised in some way, you aren't worth a squirt of piss to them.

Excerpts from The Cult Test Questions 1 to 10 by A. Orange
8. Suspension of disbelief.
The cult member is supposed to take on a childish naïveté, and simply believe whatever he is told, no matter how unlikely, unrealistic, irrational, illogical, or outrageous it may be. And he does.
For example:

Fortunate coincidences are accepted as proof that God favors the Guru and his cult: "The Big Man upstairs is really looking out for us."

Superstitious, religious, or magical rituals and ceremonies are performed without skepticism.

Some cults pray or chant incessantly for almost everything imaginable, as if God were Santa Claus, and they actually believe that their amateur magic ceremonies will really work, and will really change reality and get them what they want.

If the Guru starts seducing all of the 14-year-old girls in the religious community, you are supposed to believe that he is just giving them spiritual lessons (Swami Muktananda).

If the guru claims that he is the Son of God, and has the right, even the spiritual duty, to have, sexually, all of the post-pubescent girls and women in the community, in order to create the Grandchildren of God, you are supposed to believe it and hand over your wife and daughter (Vernon Howell, a.k.a. David Koresh of the Branch Davidians -- the wacko from Waco).

And if the guru suddenly starts performing miracles, this is to be accepted as believable (Rev. Jim Jones, People's Temple).


People's Temple children had seen the "miracles" Jim Jones performed and had heard both their parents and him say he was God. When they begged on the streets, they never took any of the money, for Jones had warned them that if they did, he would know it and punish them severely. One street-wise boy took the chance, however, and stole ten dollars. He waited for Jones' lightning. When nothing happened, he realized they were all being duped, and left the church before the Guyana exodus. His cynicism saved his life.
The Children of Jonestown, Kenneth Wooden, page 80.

Jones believed that the end justified the means, which meant that he was continually asking people in his movement to override the boundaries of what they felt was appropriate because it was "good for People's Temple." Even outrageous behavior on the part of Jones was interpreted as a lesson, and the people around him would ask "what is he [Jones] trying to show us?"

Hearing the Voices of Jonestown, Mary McCormick Maaga, page 65.
Well, one of the things he was trying to show them was his male genitalia.

Deborah (Linda Berg) Davis, the daughter of David Berg (a.k.a. Moses David), the founder of the Children of God cult, wrote a book about the cult which contains a very perceptive explanation of the role of the suspension of disbelief in the process of brainwashing new cult members. She explains that we voluntarily suspend disbelief in order to enjoy a movie like Starwars. For a few hours, we allow ourselves to believe in a fantasy world of spaceships and robots and Jedi knights. But we return to reality when the movie ends and we leave the theater.

The person who joins a cult goes through a similar process. In order to become one of the group, he must embrace all of the beliefs and teachings of the cult, so the newcomer suspends his disbelief and enters into the movie. But the person who joins the cult doesn't leave the movie theater.


Unlike the movie-goer, however, a cult victim who suspends his disbelief doesn't necessarily come out of it. He stays in that state. The cult and its doctrine become his reality. It is significant that when we go to a movie theater we are already prepared to suspend our disbelief. We fully intend to enjoy the movie. So it is with the cult victim. In many cases he is ready to suspend whatever mental reservations he has in order to "enjoy" life. Stoner and Park, the authors of All God's Children, write, "These young people are idealistic and are frequently searching for a goal, a purpose, and a sense of community, so the promises of the cults appeal strongly to them. Many are willing, even anxious, to be persuaded."[Page 240.]

The enjoyment a prospective cult member seeks lies on a much deeper level than mere entertainment; he is hoping to find fulfillment, purpose, and direction for life. But like the movie-goer who attends Star Wars seeking enjoyment, an individual joins a cult because he wants to enjoy the movie of life. ...

When a cult recruit crosses the invisible barrier in his mind -- when he enters the world of the cult and its doctrine at some point in his flirtatious sampling of the cult -- he is tripping the switch of his voluntary suspension of disbelief. Brainwashing or mind control then occurs naturally, sometimes effortlessly. In many cases the new cult member will struggle hard to brainwash himself. He must do this in order to balance out the guilt he feels. When doubts rush in like a flood, he tells himself, "I am following the truth. The rest of the world may be going to hell, but I am following the truth!"

Other brothers and sisters are there to encourage the new recruit. He either accepts their help and counsel, or he rejects it. If he rejects it, he doesn't stay around long. If he receives their help, he goes deeper into the cultic doctrine. He will sell flowers, chant, memorize, litness [witness and raise funds with literature], or read Mo Letters, whatever it takes, to the utmost of his ability to prove to himself and others that he is right. The brainwashing that occurs in cults is the finest, purest, and most effective around. The Communists have something to learn from Moses David.

The Children of God; The Inside Story, Deborah (Linda Berg) Davis, pages 171-172.
Note the voluntary nature of the process. Deborah Davis makes the point that joining a cult is not just a process of being fooled by a slick phony guru or of being quickly brainwashed without knowing what is happening. On some level of his mind, the newcomer must voluntarily buy into the game, or else he will leave the cult.

This leads to another cult characteristic: Mentally Disturbed Followers. Meaning: You really do need your head examined if you insist on staying in a cult and believing in the proclamations of a phony guru.


Wanting to believe is perhaps the most powerful dynamic initiating and sustaining cult-like behavior.
The Wrong Way Home: Uncovering the Patterns of Cult Behavior in American Society, Arthur J. Deikman, M.D., page 137.

"The world longs for authority, finality, and conclusiveness. It is weary of theological floundering and uncertainty. Belief exhilarates the human spirit; doubt depresses."
Billy Graham quoted in Holy Terror: The Fundamentalist War on America's Freedoms in Religion, Politics, and Our Private Lives, Flo Conway and Jim Siegelman, page 144.
Also see: The Wrong Way Home: Uncovering the Patterns of Cult Behavior in American Society, Arthur J. Deikman, M.D., page 143.

Certainty (as Billy Graham testified) is one of the great benefits of religious belief.
The Wrong Way Home: Uncovering the Patterns of Cult Behavior in American Society, Arthur J. Deikman, M.D., page 144.

Part of the attraction of believing the leader's views and actions to be of paramount importance is that the follower's own sense of importance is heightened.
The Wrong Way Home: Uncovering the Patterns of Cult Behavior in American Society, Arthur J. Deikman, M.D., page 67.

So the suspension of disbelief is also another veiled ego game, where the follower likes to believe that he is very important, involved in very important work, doing the Lord's Will and saving the world...

"If the leader and his religion are saving the world, and I follow the leader, then I am saving the world, which makes me very good and very important, and deserving of a place in Heaven."

(But if the leader is a fraud and a con artist, then that makes me a gullible fool. So the leader must be a saint, because I'd rather not be a fool...)

Cult members are playing spiritual make-believe, and they sure don't want to hear that their "guaranteed" ticket to Heaven is actually a counterfeit that they bought from a con-artist ticket scalper.

Dear COL'ers...

Just do a bit of a calculation here...

You are maxed out on debt, you get sick and can suddenly no longer work to bring income into the group, you require some hospitilization or devoted care for a while...

and kim wants some more plastic surgery...

who do you think is going to get the money for the treatment, and who do you think is going to be 'encouraged' to suck it up and make do with nothing?

That, and regular doctors and dentist visits went out the window. Those were my experiences. What will yours be ?



I remember one of the few times you could come up and visit me in Oregon... one of the first things we did was get you to a dental office!

Most people in COL don't believe she's even had plastic surgery. They think she is all energy. They also think that because they are her "warriors" that they can overcome anything with her energy. If they don't then they're not channeling hard enough. Or they're not being persistent enough in asking her for help.

They don't realize that this will all catch up to them soon. Most at least still have their health now. What will happen when that is taken away ? How will TYK treat them then ?

(But if the leader is a fraud and a con artist, then that makes me a gullible fool. So the leader must be a saint, because I'd rather not be a fool...)

This is what I am thinking, what they are thinking.........WHY are all these people talking about us? We are doing nothing wrong. We are all perfectly happy. We don't do anything to anyone and I just couldn't imagine myself any happier any other place. I know they are jealous of what we all have. We stuck it out and look where we are today, and we are nearing our goal. Nothing and nobody will deter our goals. Our master is the one truth that we can follow and count on in life. The others are just all liars and haters. They only wish they could be or be with tyk.

I think that is what the people of col think of these boards and their general thoughts.

Excerpts of Questions 1 to 10 by A. Orange

9. Denigration of competing sects, cults, religions, groups, or organizations.
This is common, and hardly needs any explanation. What is curious is the degree to which the hatred of others is based on similarity. That is, the closer two groups are in their beliefs, goals, activities, philosophies, appearances, and everything else that defines the group, the more they seem to hate each other.

Moon considers himself a messiah -- "God's ambassador, sent to Earth with his full authority," as he puts it. "Humanity's savior ... returning lord and true parent."

10. Personal attacks on critics.
Anyone who criticizes the Guru, the cult or its dogma is attacked on a personal level.
Rather than honestly and intelligently debating with critics, using facts and logic, the cult will resort to low personal attacks on the critic, using name-calling, slander, condescending put-downs, libelous accusations, personal slurs, accusations of bad motives, and casting aspersions on the critic's intelligence and sanity --attack critics any way that they could -- to investigate them and discover any crimes or dirty secrets that could be used against the critics, and, "If you can't dig up any dirt, make something up."

Another red flag to watch for is how angrily cult members react when the cult or its guru is criticized. Most ordinary or "normal" people can tolerate some questioning and criticism of their organizations and leaders without blowing up and insisting that the critic is satanic, or working for the forces of evil, or part of a big conspiracy to destroy the organization, but cult members often cannot. They go non-linear very rapidly when you point out too many faults or shortcomings of the group or its leader -- especially when they cannot refute that criticism.

It is just in the nature of true believers to demand absolute certainty in their beliefs. They like black-and-white, all-or-nothing, thinking, and they have little or no tolerance for doubts and uncertainty. So they irrationally attack the speaker at the first hint of criticism. True believers prefer simple certainty over uncertain complexity, and they don't like shades of gray or subtlety. Like George W. Bush said, "I don't do nuance." (See Eric Hoffer, The True Believer.)

(But if the leader is a fraud and a con artist, then that makes me a gullible fool. So the leader must be a saint, because I'd rather not be a fool...)

I would rather be a fool and admit what is fact, than throw away my life serving some pudgy, old woman who gives phone sex to a young man who is almost thirty years younger. To spend days cleaning up her past...what a waste of a life.

She is a disgusting old pugdy woman. Isn't it sexual harassment if you receive these phone calls when you are an employee??

The women are attached to Kyong-Ae Kim in a much more intimate way then they claim, that's why the make believe marriage. I wonder if she makes these phone calls to her "daughter-in-laws" as well.



It most certainly is sexual harassment to receive unwanted phone calls of this nature. If you blew the whistle however, you'd be out the door. Who are you going to complain to? LWS doesn't have a personnel department to handle these matters.

As for the women and their possible involvement with Tae Yun Kim, I find that entirely credible. Just as women in prison develop relationships of an intimate nature with other inmates, the women of COL, being denied normal sexual relations with their husbands, may very well be channeling their sexual energy in her direction. Of course, Tae Yun Kim is a homophobe, but behind the scenes she probably encourages their attraction, and then they write that in their journals, and then she has something to humiliate them with , and you just cannot win with this woman..

Even though I am not there, I have figured out how her mind works, and it is Machiavellian.