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thanks heffy for the vote of confidence, ive been in my fair share and try to avoid them cause there fucking stupid. and REDICULOUSLY common here in moscow. i got jumped by a gangster and six security guards, now thats a shitty place to be.

did i pull guard? no.

do i ever pull guard in training? no.

did i take him down? no. why? because i thought something was severely wrong when the six security guards just calmly watched the fight begin.

its what youre ready for thats the main thing. lots of people just dont get beat down in training. its really easy to think you can defend yourself when you dont contact spar. i used to be so fucking arrogant, then i got hit. damn, that fucks up your whole game. mma as an event teaches you to put up with a rediculous amount of stress. and in terms of martial arts cliches, clear your mind.

That's where it all went wrong for you.

Lord Helios finds your lack of faith disturbing.

You always pull guard.

I give bruce lee props he pointed out all the bull **** that SHOULD have been discovered way back. Hey if I was training in the 70's I would have done JKD. I would also have trained in muy thai and sambo and greco and kicked gracies ass in 93. JKD has the right mind set but mma is more refined. As for a spartan worrior kicking bruce lee ass that would be true if you beleve pankration was just like it was in human weapon and the the second fighting stlye was kung fu.

Bruce Lee was hardly the first person to point out bull **** in MA. Jigoro Kano formed Judo since a lot of Jujutsu was lousy. Also, I highly doubt you would have beaten Royce Gracie. Considering how long he was fighting for I doubt you would have won.

I was joking about fighting gracie. I was just making a point that the first ufc fighters could have done a lot better , because all the moves matt hughs had used had been around before the first ufc.

I dunno about MMA being more Refined than JKD (Jun Fan JKD).... This all depends on whether or not MMA uses the same ideas of Science and physics that JKD does. For Example, the Intercepting punch is based on throwing your weight up through your legs, forward, through the rotation of your hips into your lead right fist.

When i watch UFC, it mostly seems as if they are just swinging and basically not being that scientific with the striking.

Yeah BJJ is great on the ground, but what if you are Mounted on a guy trying to beat his face in, and his Uncle Vinnie runs around the corner and Clocks you in the head with a BRICK? Lights out. Or, what if you have a guy in your guard and he pulls out a knife? Sure you could Armbar the guy but it would be much easier for him to stab you at that point than for you to get his arm. This is why Groundfighting on the street is kinda dangerous.

I'm not saying that you shouldnt know how to grapple, but it is much safer to defend against the takedown and stay on your feet.


Oh, and BTW, i'm sorry for the bullshido i posted in the past. As Bruce Lee once said "I have found the cause of my own ignorance". JKD is not Invincible, and i'm gonna stop acting like it is. I do think it is very effective however, if you learn it from the right guy, like Tim Tackett or Lamar Davis, or say.... Taky Kimura.

I dunno about MMA being more Refined than JKD (Jun Fan JKD).... This all depends on whether or not MMA uses the same ideas of Science and physics that JKD does. For Example, the Intercepting punch is based on throwing your weight up through your legs, forward, through the rotation of your hips into your lead right fist.

When i watch UFC, it mostly seems as if they are just swinging and basically not being that scientific with the striking.

Yeah BJJ is great on the ground, but what if you are Mounted on a guy trying to beat his face in, and his Uncle Vinnie runs around the corner and Clocks you in the head with a BRICK? Lights out. Or, what if you have a guy in your guard and he pulls out a knife? Sure you could Armbar the guy but it would be much easier for him to stab you at that point than for you to get his arm. This is why Groundfighting on the street is kinda dangerous.

I'm not saying that you shouldnt know how to grapple, but it is much safer to defend against the takedown and stay on your feet.


Oh, and BTW, i'm sorry for the bullshido i posted in the past. As Bruce Lee once said "I have found the cause of my own ignorance". JKD is not Invincible, and i'm gonna stop acting like it is. I do think it is very effective however, if you learn it from the right guy, like Tim Tackett or Lamar Davis, or say.... Taky Kimura.

This is why I am now experimenting with Gamma rays and trying to devlop an optical blast so I can just blast mofos.

This bit...

"Having said this, I personally don’t care if you learn JKD from me or not. Just as long as you learn real JKD. I’m not in this for the money. I’m a true believer in JKD as a martial art because it works period. And I want those who really want to learn it, to learn it! I will list here the nucleus members and or original Bruce Lee students that I know are teaching JKD"

Is BOLLOCKS.

JKD isn't a fucking martial art, it's a process. Anyone that says otherwise is talking out of their arsehole

Okay but if you just completely throw away the entire foundation that was set up, of the WC Base with the Fencing/Boxing and just start doing whatever the hell you want, how is that JKD??? That sounds more like Freestyle MMA to me.

JKD is not just Throwing together whatever and calling it JKD. THATS BOLLOCKS!

Sure, you can add whatever you feel is relevant to you as an individual, which is INDEED, a process, but if you're just gonna completely throw out everything else that comprises the initial framework of JKD, Dissolve the entire foundation and delivery system, get rid of the Scientific Principles, (which are not based on tradition but kinesiology and Physics)... Then How is that JKD????????????????

This is why I am now experimenting with Gamma rays and trying to devlop an optical blast so I can just blast mofos.

Good luck with that. If you somehow make it work, i'm gonna hire you as my personal bodyguard! :icon_sant

so far all I have achieved is thunder from my ass

BTW the last post in this thread before you posted is a year old.

And others will point out the straw man flaws in the whole "Uncle Vinnie birck to the back of the head" arguments against taking the fight to the ground and ground fighting and such.

Personaly I just don't care

Yeah BJJ is great on the ground, but what if you are Mounted on a guy trying to beat his face in, and his Uncle Vinnie runs around the corner and Clocks you in the head with a BRICK? Lights out.

What if you're throwing chain punches and some dude's aunt Sally hits you over the head with a frying pan? False argument.


Or, what if you have a guy in your guard and he pulls out a knife? Sure you could Armbar the guy but it would be much easier for him to stab you at that point than for you to get his arm.

If you have the guy in your guard, it's probably because he took you down or was able to get on top. Better to have him in your guard than on side control or mounted, smashing your face (and d34dly eye-gouging and hair pulling, tickling, and name-calling). Choices from the guard besides hunting for submission include sweeping (changing who's on top from him to you) and making space and getting up. It's the non-grappler who's stuck on the bottom, not the grappler.


I'm not saying that you shouldnt know how to grapple, but it is much safer to defend against the takedown and stay on your feet.

You're not saying you shouldn't know how to grapple, but it is much safer to grapple?

What if you're throwing chain punches and some dude's aunt Sally hits you over the head with a frying pan? False argument.



If you have the guy in your guard, it's probably because he took you down or was able to get on top. Better to have him in your guard than on side control or mounted, smashing your face (and d34dly eye-gouging and hair pulling, tickling, and name-calling). Choices from the guard besides hunting for submission include sweeping (changing who's on top from him to you) and making space and getting up. It's the non-grappler who's stuck on the bottom, not the grappler.



You're not saying you shouldn't know how to grapple, but it is much safer to grapple?


If you 're throwing Chain Punches, and someone runs up behind you, you have the option of Kicking them and then getting out from between them, where you can be hit from behind. If you're on the ground, you dont have the mobility to avoid an attack from someone who unexpectedly runs up on you. Granted, you could still be cracked in the back of the head while standing, but at least you have a better chance of defending yourself on your feet, and/or using footwork to evade.

The point with the guard thing is that on the street if the guy pulls a knife, are you really going to be able to do anything from that position before he picks you like 20 times?

Avoiding the Takedown doesnt necessarily have to be done using a grapplers defense against it. You could knee the guy in the face for example. You could Pendulum shuffle backwards and front kick his face as he shoots down. Of course, the Sprawl will work in a pinch, but you dont have to always use grappling to defend against grappling.

I dunno about MMA being more Refined than JKD (Jun Fan JKD).... This all depends on whether or not MMA uses the same ideas of Science and physics that JKD does. For Example, the Intercepting punch is based on throwing your weight up through your legs, forward, through the rotation of your hips into your lead right fist.

When i watch UFC, it mostly seems as if they are just swinging and basically not being that scientific with the striking.

Yeah BJJ is great on the ground, but what if you are Mounted on a guy trying to beat his face in, and his Uncle Vinnie runs around the corner and Clocks you in the head with a BRICK? Lights out. Or, what if you have a guy in your guard and he pulls out a knife? Sure you could Armbar the guy but it would be much easier for him to stab you at that point than for you to get his arm. This is why Groundfighting on the street is kinda dangerous.

I'm not saying that you shouldnt know how to grapple, but it is much safer to defend against the takedown and stay on your feet.


Oh, and BTW, i'm sorry for the bullshido i posted in the past. As Bruce Lee once said "I have found the cause of my own ignorance". JKD is not Invincible, and i'm gonna stop acting like it is. I do think it is very effective however, if you learn it from the right guy, like Tim Tackett or Lamar Davis, or say.... Taky Kimura.

For all the other posters familiar with HiThere's posts, is this another case of trigonometry-fu?

For Alex8876: what's your educational background? We don't get to qualify things as "scientific", "unscientific" or "X art is less/more scientific than Y art" unless we actually have a good understanding of science in general and physics, sports science and human anatomy in particular.

About a year ago, while searching on google for ideas on building club bells, I ran into this video of a guy explaining how to make one out of steel pipes.

Then, a *cough, cough* Scott Sonnon-certified clubbell expert came to criticize the home-made clubbell in the video, that, unlike the Sonnon-certified clubbells, this one was made unscientifically and as a result, (and I quote verbatin) it was missing the center of mass.

The people who talk the most about science are the charlatans who don't know **** about it.

I dunno about MMA being more Refined than JKD (Jun Fan JKD).... This all depends on whether or not MMA uses the same ideas of Science and physics that JKD does. For Example, the Intercepting punch is based on throwing your weight up through your legs, forward, through the rotation of your hips into your lead right fist. So basically what you're saying is that ALL mma fighters are stupid because if they were rational they would spend more (any?) time perfecting (working on?) this technique, right?

That, or the technique is not what you claim to be.

I mean, you could be right, it could theoretically revolutionize the fight game -- but it's about occam's razor. The mere fact that nobody has come in with this technique to 'dominate everyone' is sufficient evidence to believe (for the time being) that it is not what you claim.

For all the other posters familiar with HiThere's posts, is this another case of trigonometry-fu?

For Alex8876: what's your educational background? We don't get to qualify things as "scientific", "unscientific" or "X art is less/more scientific than Y art" unless we actually have a good understanding of science in general and physics, sports science and human anatomy in particular.

I'm in college, and I took College level Physics last semester. Look, i'm not gonna act like i did much better than average in it, but i have a pretty good understanding of the physics behind striking. It's relatively simple.

Basically the power behind the Striking in MMA (which is pretty much slugging, from what i can recall) is based on lobbing punches, basically just using the body's natural mechanisms of whirling the shoulders, maybe combined with the use of the legs in stepping forward. It can work...it's just not as efficient.

JKD strikes use those same mechanisms, but launch the strikes with much less telegraphing, in that the strikes dont have any preperatory motions like a lot of MMA/Boxing/Kickboxing strikes, and they are thrown from the center, rather than the Shoulder level, which contributes to their being harder to see coming.

Also, they tend to retract back on the same line they flew out from, which leaves less openings to exploit and shortens the recovery time quite a bit.

In addition to the Shoulder Whirl, JKD strikes also use the rotation of the hips and feet to add power. The only fundamental difference is that the Straight punches are thrown with a vertical fist, so that the bone alignment allows for a punch that is perfectly straight, a'la Dempsey, because of course in Physics they always teach you that the shortest distance between two points is a straight line.

Sometimes a Diagonal fist is used because the Bone alignment is stronger, usually this is used with the Rear Straight. The hooks are more efficient also because they aren't opened up as much, because a tighter arc is quicker and also less telegraphic.

The transfer of weight from the back leg onto the front (or vice versa with the lead hook and uppercut) along with the rotation of the hips and feet provides lots of power without pulling back the hands or opening up the hooks, thus negating the need to lob punches off of the shoulders like in MMA/Kickboxing.


I mean, i could go on but i'm just trying to give a basic summary of the physics behind it here and the little details get kinda tedious.

so far all I have achieved is thunder from my ass
I find that when you are mounted on their head, getting ready to crank that Kimura, THAT is the perfect time to release the ass thunder.