Because a palm strike to the chin and a chop to the solar plexus are fight ending moves right there, and the elbow is just for show. :viking:

Because a palm strike to the chin and a chop to the solar plexus are fight ending moves right there, and the elbow is just for show. :viking:

The elbow adds flash to it, it also works well with a warrior yell. See Chung Li from Bloodsport.

Even I don't think thats funny, and btw, people usually don't spar how you like them to.
Which means in sparring i'm gonna go very aggresive, so that statement regarding it being a stalemate was absolute stupidity.
And once again I hope your joking because on the internet I can never tell unless I know the person personally.

Even I don't think thats funny, and btw, people usually don't spar how you like them to.
Which means in sparring i'm gonna go very aggresive, so that statement regarding it being a stalemate was absolute stupidity.
And once again I hope your joking because on the internet I can never tell unless I know the person personally.

Have you read into Renzo Gracie's opinion on JJJ?

Yes, I am joking. I pulled that partly from a Sherdog post when we had a huge debate about it a while back.

I learn all 3, my sensei hasn't watered down anything for us. He teaches us how it was meant to be taught.

Though I do favor Judo more and practice it more than JJJ, or BJJ.

The JJJ I learned involved much of the Judo training re-introduced into the art...lots of drills on opponents of varying resistance, dynamic "3 stage sparring" (standup striking, takedown/randoori, grappling (no strikes on ground)).

The only two real issues I had were a) light contact in Phase 1 (which sometimes was virtually none, depending on the ref) and b) the "no striking" policy on the ground (obviously extended from a)) The takedowns and the grappling itself were quite intense.

CT, i've competed in one of those tournaments before, but have a hard time finding more of them. Do you have a resource for them?

The vast majority of JJJ is taught as mostly standing wrist locks and strikes, with little to no free sparring, and poor groundwork.

Now maybe your school is awesome and doesn't follow any of these poor standards.

But you are in the minority.

What's wrong with striking and standing wrist locks?

The vast majority of JJJ is taught as mostly standing wrist locks and strikes, with little to no free sparring, and poor groundwork.

Now maybe your school is awesome and doesn't follow any of these poor standards.

But you are in the minority.

Yeah the JJJ I did at college was nothing like what Nightstrike describes: mostly RSBD-ised/Aikido-ised Judo - all drills of throws and locks as defences from punches, knife attacks etc, with no strikes taught properly, no full free sparring etc. Sparring wouldn't have worked in any kind of sensible way as nearly everything we were taught was some kind of defence against an attack. Also endless break falls and rolls practice - which in its basic form was vital in order to be able to be thrown safely, but which developed a bit of a pointless life of its own, so that even quite early on you had to learn things such as handstand flips, Aikido/Ninja variations of the forward roll (in case you needed to sneak up on someone with a silent on...) blah blah.

That said there was a bit of Judo-style groundwork and some Judo randori - but it was presented as something separate from the actual JuJitsu/self-defence stuff.

What's wrong with striking and standing wrist locks?


Nothing in particular, however JJJ puts a strong emphasis on these techniques above others.

Nothing in particular, however JJJ puts a strong emphasis on these techniques above others.
Ignore LocalBandit. He's just Strangler under another name. It won't be long before he gets banned.

I went to a JJJ class once and maybe its because I was a beginner, but it wasnt that hot There wasnt any contact sparring at all, but not only that they didnt really do much proficiency training either. I'm not sure how those guys could throw punches....

But one of the guys at my MMA gym trained JJJ before he came here, and really picked things up quick. I was impressed - maybe it gives you a good base for learning other things?

JJJ has Sport Jujitsu thats supposed to be really good.

Anybody know anything about Shobudo JJ? [/ramble]

You guys have to understand JJJ's history. It was used by Japanese warriors that had 80+lbs of armor on. You do not want to grapple with 80 lbs of armor on you and thus why they employed nearly all stand up techniques. There were over 23 styles of JJJ. Including grappling, horse combat,vital organ striking, etc. Of course not all of these are taught in dojos now a days so when you take JJJ you are only getting a small portion of what it actually was.

So what the hell is the point of learning a martial art designed for combatants wearing 80lbs of armour. The only people nowadays who would walk down the street wearing that much protective equipment are Phat Phil and his RBSD lovebuddies.