WHY do WC guys mention how BRuce Lee started in WC, so it is teh ultimate art and the greatest martial artist ever used it so you must use it too etc.


Bruce Lee, after relatively little training in Wing Chun, declared it too traditional and formal, too static to be truly effective as a system

Got that last sentence straight from an article from the Martialist. That's right, Phil has helped a Bullshido member argue a case against traditional marital arts and for combat sports. HAHA

Sorry about that post. I retract it. I was a little tired and angry when I posted that.

You're a fucking moron. The jab would be the last punch you could grab, if you could grab a punch at all.

You know most of you are either ignorant or just fucking trolls that deserve to be shot. That guy everyone was flaming was a fucking ponce who didn't have the vaguest idea what the hell he was talking about. The only boxing punch I ca possibly expect a Wing Chun person to grab effectively is a jab and that is an unlikely techniques for the boxer to use on them until they sustain an injury at least. And my mother has odne 15 years of Wing Chun Kung Fu so I was raise a tool . Personally I am a Judo practici0oner but I would just like ot say that 2-3 of you seem like this information is being pulled out of your ass and written on a piece of paper the size of your left testicle. Grow some balls. Wow I need ot cut down on the swearing thouhg. I'm 13 :)

Fixed.

While you see some WC techniques involve grabbing a punch... it is actually almost impossible to do this due to the range at which this punches are thrown. Most techniques which involve catching a punch are done out of puching range... which makes them effectively pointless against trained fighters. Normally, when facing people who can punch your best bet is to step in and lock up the opponents side using your arm and leg while punching, if your aim is to get arm control. You are not catching the punch rather you are controlling the arm.

But personally I wouldn't bet on a WC guy beating a Judo guy. Your average Judo player trains far more intensely, and realistically, than your average WC guy. I mean most WC kwoons don't spar, while most Judo players are encouraged to compete. Thats not to say it couldn't happen... but the safe money would be on the judoka.

Anyway... this thread is pretty stupid so I'll leave it at that.

Fixed.


Oh my God. Did I seriously write I was rasied a tool? OMG. That is the worst typo ever. Aaaghhh. Why don't I leave this site :(

Didn't you know the big difference in Hong Kong Wing Chun when compared to other mainland China Wing Chun is grappling?
In mainland Wing Chun they have grappling, that is a traditional part of Wing Chun from before Yip Man went to Hong Kong.

That is true. Mainland Wing Chun has also more punching and kicking techniques.

Eventhough the existance of grappling in Wing Chun does not make it a grappling art, it does however make it, shall we say, a more complete art. You will also find that Iron Palm training is given a more serious consideration in some mainland Chinese lineages.

Take the above aspects and put it into a well thought out traditional kung fu training methodology, which believe it all not will include hard (contact) sparring and you will end up with a potent fighting style that is capable of holding its own against any other system (yes even the "deadly" art of Judo).

Chinese Fist

That is true. Mainland Wing Chun has also more punching and kicking techniques.

Eventhough the existance of grappling in Wing Chun does not make it a grappling art, it does however make it, shall we say, a more complete art. You will also find that Iron Palm training is given a more serious consideration in some mainland Chinese lineages.

Take the above aspects and put it into a well thought out traditional kung fu training methodology, which believe it all not will include hard (contact) sparring and you will end up with a potent fighting style that is capable of holding its own against any other system (yes even the "deadly" art of Judo).

Chinese Fist

Here we go with "The Real Wing Chun" once again.

Prove it. I've done one year of TKD. I'll find someone who's done one year of Wing Chun, who's my size. Shouldn't be too difficult; I'm an Asian, and most people who do Wing Chun are pasty whites. I will spar anyone, given these conditions that you've mentioned; in fact if there are any Wing Chun people I can find in Melbourne, meeting these conditions, I'll invite them to our Melbourne throwdown and spar full-contact.

You're brainwashed, and it shows. The more I think about it, the more I realise how obvious it is that Wing Chun was invented by a women: Chain punching is a modified, ritualised version of female girly-slap-fight-fu

Hahaa. Not that I am a WC student or anything. But dude, you practice TKD man! WC was the last art I'd expect a TKD student to want to fight with.

Here we go with "The Real Wing Chun" once again.

Bjj, the art that you practise, is a relatively young art. In a few centuries, if current trends in the MA world continue, people will have the same problem finding and indeed identifying "real" bjj schools, lineages etc. This of course does not mean that real BJJ will not exist in the future, just as, because you yourself have not been exposed to real Wing Chun does not mean that it does not exist in this day and age.

Infact, it has started already. McBjj-ism is here already, as revealed elsewhere on this site.

Hahaa. Not that I am a WC student or anything. But dude, you practice TKD man! WC was the last art I'd expect a TKD student to want to fight with.


I second that.

Bjj, the art that you practise, is a relatively young art. In a few centuries, if current trends in the MA world continue, people will have the same problem finding and indeed identifying "real" bjj schools, lineages etc. This of course does not mean that real BJJ will not exist in the future, just as, because you yourself have not been exposed to real Wing Chun does not mean that it does not exist in this day and age.

Infact, it has started already. McBjj-ism is here already, as revealed elsewhere on this site.
The difference is that while no one cares about wing chun, jiu-jitsu is deeply personal. Traitors to Emperor Helio shall be destroyed.

Bjj, the art that you practise, is a relatively young art. In a few centuries, if current trends in the MA world continue, people will have the same problem finding and indeed identifying "real" bjj schools, lineages etc. This of course does not mean that real BJJ will not exist in the future, just as, because you yourself have not been exposed to real Wing Chun does not mean that it does not exist in this day and age.

Infact, it has started already. McBjj-ism is here already, as revealed elsewhere on this site.

And if you look elsewhere in this site you'll also read how BJJ like to weed out the bullshit techniques and practices. How BJJ doesn't encourage the "don't question your sifu" mentality and is always open to finding a better way to do something. And you'll also notice how the difference is that while there is always a McDojo presence in any art, arts that encourage active sparring and competition will have a lower incidence of McDojoism.

Something that kills me is that you brought "lineage" into this. We BJJ'ers usually don't care about who has the real BJJ (Carlos? Helio? Rickson? Royler? Carlson?) **** no, we just care about the effective BJJ. Screw you Wing Chunners and your lineage wars.

And before you wave roll your eyes and go "blah, blah, blah" consider the fact that Muay Thai, a martial art older than Wing Chun, has avoided being overcome by Bullshido and McDojoism.

And if you look elsewhere in this site you'll also read how BJJ like to weed out the bullshit techniques and practices.

For your information, Wing Chun weeded out the bullshit techniques and practices a few centuries ago. All the bad WC that you come across nowadays is the result of unqualified "sifus" passing on their "knowledge".


How BJJ doesn't encourage the "don't question your sifu" mentality

In Wing Chun and kung fu in general the unecessary asking of questions are discouraged. However, my sifu would spend a long time and even after class to answer RELEVANT questions. Also, the more you practise, then the more you understand and hence you are less likely to ask irrelevant questions, which are discouraged in kung fu in the first place. It is a complicated art, you know.


and is always open to finding a better way to do something.

If you are practising diligently in a good school of Wing Chun and if you manage to complete the system then you are free to improve it to suit your own personality, strenghts and preferences, as long as you stick to the style's concepts, because if you don't, then it is not Wing Chun anymore.



And you'll also notice how the difference is that while there is always a McDojo presence in any art, arts that encourage active sparring and competition will have a lower incidence of McDojoism.

My sifu dicourages competitions. Other sifus encourage it. However, my sifu encourages "active" sparring. The difference is that the sparring comes at later stages of training when the student has grasped the stances and basic techniques and has built up a solid knowledge of concepts. As a result, our sparring does not involve "Wing Chunners" bouncing around around like kick boxers/TKDers, etc. using the THEN ineffective WC strikes. They sparr in WC stances using WC foot work which combine to give their striking the WC power, i.e. REAL Wing Chun/Kung Fu, yes REAL, rather than a bunch of kick boxers kickboxing in kung fu uniforms. And yes it takes a long time to achieve those skills.


Something that kills me is that you brought "lineage" into this.

That is funny, because I thought that tough and powerfull dude like you would have been more difficult to kill, but anyway....


We BJJ'ers usually don't care about who has the real BJJ (Carlos? Helio? Rickson? Royler? Carlson?)

Probably because each one of these experts has the real BJJ in their own way, i.e they possess their art's essence, just as do the main lineages of Wing Chun.


**** no,

??? But, me no ask for ****....me ask only for intelligente discussion.


we just care about the effective BJJ.

I would too if I were you. Seriously though, all real martial artists from whatever style do care about making their art as effective as possible.


Screw you Wing Chunners

??? But, me no ask for screw.....me only ask for serious discussion.



and your lineage wars .

Making a factual comment about another lineage of Wing Chun does not make me a lineage warmonger. Actually, with your attitude towards Wing Chun you are the one who sounds like a styles warmonger. Anyway.....


And before you wave roll your eyes and go "blah, blah, blah"

Whoops! Too late.


consider the fact that Muay Thai, a martial art older than Wing Chun, has avoided being overcome by Bullshido and McDojoism.

I am sure that there are schools that do not match up in standard to the norm. Many fighters, after all, tend to travel to Thailand to undertake training there, don't they now? But I do see your point. MT is, at least nowadays, a competition based full contact sport/martial art. That means no results eg. competition wins then no credibility for the schools.

Furthermore, kung fu training has other aspects such as forms and philosophies that are used by fake teachers as a smoke screen to hide their own short comings when it comes to real knowledge and effective combat USING real kung fu. This facilitates Mcdojoism or McKwoonism.

Chinesefist

no one cares about wing chun,

That makes sense, after all none of them know what Wing Chun is.


jiu-jitsu is deeply personal.

I agree. I have seen from jiu-jitsu competitions and sparring sessions, that you guys really like to get DEEP and PERSONAL. :la: :laughing7

They sparr in WC stances using WC foot work which combine to give their striking the WC power
WC stances and WC footwork must be opposing quantities in order to yield something as pathetic as WC power.