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celticdragon03
1/28/2005 4:38pm,
These are some delightful things to think about:
Primetime did a special where they tested (I believe) 5 upscale gyms in NY city for bacteria and other pathogens. Here is the article about it.


Is Your Health Club Unhealthy?
Jan. 13, 2005 -- It's the New Year's rush at health clubs all over the country. Every January, in some gyms, there are twice as many people working out as usual.

There are a lot of people looking to get fit. But they could also get something they don't want — germs.

"Primetime" conducted an undercover investigation of a number of gyms, swabbing everything in sight — from the free weights to the locker rooms — and found germs practically everywhere.

Microbiologist Dr. Phillip Tierno says the gym is an unusually effective place for the transmission of germs. There are millions and millions of germs on human skin. So when anyone sweats, they come pouring off.

All those people, all that exposed skin and all that sweat, can create a perfect storm for spreading infections.

"You are not using that one machine exclusively for yourself. You're leaving that machine and someone else follows you and the germs that you leave behind," he said. "Eighty percent of all infectious disease is transmitted by contact."

It can be as simple as a sick person uses the machine, someone else uses it next, that person touches the same handrest and then touches his eyes … and he, too, can get sick.

"By the time the 50th person uses that machine, there may be potential pathogens there," Tierno said.


Generally Self-Policed

Germs in gyms are not exactly a priority for health authorities. For example, in New York or Los Angeles, the health department usually inspects gyms on a yearly basis.

Even then, they are generally inspecting pools for proper chlorine and filtration levels. Unless there is a specific complaint, no one comes out to inspect health clubs for germs.

But health club owners are aware that cleanliness is a priority. At the New York Health and Racquet club — which was not one of the gyms tested by "Primetime" — members are given clean towels, and there are antiseptic spray bottles and paper towel dispensers on the exercise floors.

Cleanliness is "first and foremost" in the mind of new members, said Jeff Bodar of the New York Health and Racquet Club.

When Popularity Increases Risks


"Primetime's" samples were tested by Tierno's lab at New York University Hospital. The swabs were put into petri dishes after leaving the gym — and soon bacteria was growing, sometimes in heavy concentrations.



On a set of dumbbells, "Primetime" found staphylococcus, streptococcus viridans, diptheroids and e-coli — the most common bacteria in human feces. On one exercise bike, "Primetime" found candida — the germ that causes yeast infections.



"Any article that is used by multiple people in quick sequence such as the dumbbells" is a high risk for germs, Tierno said. Other areas are seats where people may bike or sit down to lift weights.



But Tierno said the bacteria found in human feces, e-coli, was worst on the shower floor. "Germs do survive in the shower … on the walls and on the floor," he said. "I found them in hoards. Unbelievable quantity."



Still, Tierno was quick to note that most of these germs won't necessarily make someone sick. And there are precautions anyone can take. Don't touch your face while you are exercising. Shower after a workout. And most importantly, wash your hands before eating or drinking anything.



As to the germs in the shower, "You wear little slippers, you're OK," he said.

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/Primetime/story?id=410907&page=1

How clean do you think your MA gym is? What can we do(or what do you do) to improve the cleanliness?

Lights Out
1/28/2005 7:07pm,
Hew, I wouldn´t put my hand on the fire for my gym. i´m quite realistic here. My gym is cheap, I mean, the guy who runs it almost has enough income to survive, and the machines have seen better days.

It is, obviously, not the best gym in the world. Anyway, I´ve got a decent inmunologic system (it is rare that I fall sick) and a little bacteria won´t kill me (it can even make my defenses stronger, if I´m correct). So I don´t mind about germs. It still has a reasonable level of hygiene.

Yrkoon9
1/28/2005 7:11pm,
Ours is a fucking disgrace.

I clean up and mop the mats regularly. But its no use. The fucking kickboxers treat the place like its an old shoe. We are lucky we dont have SARS or something.

Deadpan Scientist
1/28/2005 7:17pm,
Star jiujitsu is very clean. Yousef cleans the mats daily. That's the way it should be if you're paying for instruction.

Poop Loops
1/28/2005 7:27pm,
Clean?

PL

Hannibal
1/29/2005 1:33am,
My dojo is quite clean. We don't stand for any mess. If someone messes the place up we beat them to death with their own shoes. And if they didn't bring any shoes we always keep a spare set handy.

Peter H.
1/29/2005 10:10am,
Matts are swept daily, disinfected once a month.

Ippatsu182
1/29/2005 10:50am,
We, the students, sweep and wipe the mats down after every practice.

jubei33
1/29/2005 1:49pm,
i dont have time to practice at a 'real' gym, so some friends and I use an old raquetball court in the college athletics bldg. it's filthy, but i cant complain. (we found smears of blood in a corner of the room) I bag train and lift at my house so i know the only germs there are my own....

celticdragon03
1/29/2005 1:59pm,
We, the students, sweep and wipe the mats down after every practice.

Yeah so do we. The only thing I'm thinking, is that the rags are sometimes used a couple days in a row. Which is pretty unsanitary. I mean ideally you shouldn't be using the same rag more than once without washing in between.

In addition, I don't think it mentioned it in the article, but on the "Primetime" special on TV they said a form of flesh eating bacteria was found on some of the equipment! :icon_neut

Xango
1/29/2005 2:17pm,
Students sweep the mat after every practice, swab down once a week. Everyone wears clean gis, and no shoes are allowed on the mat, zori are worn off the mat, etc...all of these are old practices for Judo and keep infection rates down.

Still smells like a gym, though, and that smell is caused by bacteria, so...<shrug>

Hey, I ride the elevated train daily. A little gym funk is nothing to me.

Beneath Contempt
1/29/2005 3:15pm,
My gym is mainly full of office rotties, who don't stand for the same kind of **** that MA geeks do. So generally, it's totally clean with like joss sticks and stuff.

http://www.karmaa.co.uk

johnbo
1/29/2005 3:37pm,
With kyokushin we train in a public gym which is also used by elementary schools and other sport clubs.
It's totally disgusting, the toilets are dirty, the showers have hairballs on the floor.
I had a couple of nasty infections on my foot last year, that I relate to this gym.

The judo dojo is pretty clean.

lifetime
1/30/2005 5:11am,
I don't have a gym. In fact, my MA class trains in an outdoor, tiled area. It's a common multi-tiered hallway in the sport center between all the different halls. It's dirty as ****.

spot
1/31/2005 1:47am,
nobody's ever died from a little germs in a gym. i bet there are more germs in the public transport systems than there are in the gym.

feedback
1/31/2005 1:49am,
K'ung-fu-tzu says: gym is only as clean as the dirtiest person who trains there.