Thank you for repeating what was said in a pissed off tone. That makes it all clearer.


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Edited by - fingerormoon? on February 17 2003 20:02:16

You're most welcome! :-)

Thanks Dan and Wastrel for the rotator cuff info.

Sk8er4life26 do what I do
Buy a gym membership or weight set of some sort.
3 times a week move ****.

Oh wait Thats hasn't worked so far....

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FM I'm currently looking over the HIT article.

I'll maintain my skepticism for a little while about the volume, though I also try and top out at 12-16 depending on how I'm feeling.

As far as the compound exercises according to that view every exercise is compound since except for single arm preacher curls and the like it’s next to impossible to fully isolate a muscle. It reminds me of a comment a buddy of mine made half kidding that there wasn't any need to ever work shoulders as they get worked in pretty much every thing else you do (admittedly in support of this theory is the fact that most lifters have far bigger front than rear delts, which is why I split my actual shoulder work outs).

As an additional aside, a number of football players I know train in a similar manner to what I do when they’re in the off-season. In season they can't get enough recovery time but other times they're fine. Also the majority of personal trainers (always the bastions of information that they are <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>) work out in this manner.




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BJJ SUCKS

eat and train alot.

To each his own....For me, lifting weights is starting small and always using correct form. Train like you were "rocky" or "bruce lee", eat a variety of foods and drink plenty of water. Frank Smarock said it best that correct form and gaining solid poundage of muscle beats heavy lifting without proper form and not to mention the injurys that can result from it. One year of weight lifting is enough to gain weight from turning muscle into fat. That of course is not counting how much fat you had and lost.......Weight lifting is not hard, nor is it hard to make gains. The hard part is weight lifting consistently and pulling yourself out of a slump when you do get in one. Theres a saying that every year, you grow stronger or better at what you do.

Good form is probably the most important thing, but I'm a bit of a form nazi on lots of things in the gym.

FD in a quick (5 sec) skim most of the workouts in the HIT strategy involve super high levels of reps as opposed to a combination of low sets and low rep counts.

'Course that was just a scan of some of the anecdotal accounts.



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join the tall and skinny club lmao
i'm 6' 140lbs

though i'm gaining right now

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There are only three types of people in the world; those who can count and those who can't.

As far as the compound exercises according to that view every exercise is compound since except for single arm preacher curls and the like it’s next to impossible to fully isolate a muscle. It reminds me of a comment a buddy of mine made half kidding that there wasn't any need to ever work shoulders as they get worked in pretty much every thing else you do (admittedly in support of this theory is the fact that most lifters have far bigger front than rear delts, which is why I split my actual shoulder work outs).

I have actually heard that about shoulders.
But at the low amount I'm doing, I don't see the need to cut out shoulder press as well!
Thats true that its almost impossible to fully isolate a muscle. My definition of isolation is that it is primarily designed to work one muscle.

bicep curls, tricep extension/pushdown, side raise, front raise, upright row, pec fly, pec dec, leg extension, hamstring curl - are all isolation exercises by my definition.

On a side note, its worth cutting these out not just because they aren't necessary (I believe...) but also because many of these put joints at a position they are not mean't to be in.
(bicep curl and tricep extension are safe)

A good comparison I've always remembered is - just because smoking doesn't kill you with the first cigarette doesn't mean you should continue. The damage to the shoulders is cumulative over time, especially with side raise, front raise, upright row, pec dec and pec fly.
If your genetically gifted (ie one of those guys that was naturally big or solid before ever enterting the gym) then it will proabably never become a problem for you. If your one of the average population or was a skinny guy (I'll put my hand up here!), then your risking damage.

I don't know what the majority of personal trainers/gym instructors are like where you are. In this country, they are next to useless. They are generally people that have done a short fitness course for a few months which unfortunatley qualifies them to give advise on weight lifting and strength training.

Hey at the least, even if you decide you don't believe in HIT training, you can cut at least a few sets off your weekly training and have more energy for your martial arts training.

cheers,



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Err... never been described as skinny.

"useless"... much more diplomatic than I'd have been.

What is your take on the rep counts though?



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Unless that Avatar is a picture of you, you could be any height/weight. :)

Yup, I was being very diplomatic. 'Borderline dangerous, blackholes of intelligence' is probably a good summary.

Rep count can vary from person to person. For upper body I've seen HIT programs range between 6-10. I use 8 myself.

Lower body can be where this style of training differs. The theory goes that the larger muscles of the legs take much more to fatigue than the upper body.

20rep breathing squats are brutal.
These threads from the Hardgainer forum can probably describe better than me. Check em out:

http://hardgainer.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=9109&highlight=20rep+sq uat

http://www.hardgainer.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=107

No exercise is more brutal than this if you've got the balls to stick with it....which I didn't :)

I'm kind of inspired now after rereading these actually. I'm going to get back into it.

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Yup, I was being very diplomatic. 'Borderline dangerous, blackholes of intelligence' is probably a good summary.


Watch out you might get a syringe thrown at you and then be grunted at.

I still need to read over the HIT page (actually had workto do yesterday) but thanks for the info. I'm still skeptical but thanks for the info.





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FM I'm currently looking over the HIT article.

I'll maintain my skepticism for a little while about the volume, though I also try and top out at 12-16 depending on how I'm feeling.

As far as the compound exercises according to that view every exercise is compound since except for single arm preacher curls and the like it’s next to impossible to fully isolate a muscle. It reminds me of a comment a buddy of mine made half kidding that there wasn't any need to ever work shoulders as they get worked in pretty much every thing else you do (admittedly in support of this theory is the fact that most lifters have far bigger front than rear delts, which is why I split my actual shoulder work outs).

As an additional aside, a number of football players I know train in a similar manner to what I do when they’re in the off-season. In season they can't get enough recovery time but other times they're fine. Also the majority of personal trainers (always the bastions of information that they are <img src=icon_smile_tongue.gif border=0 align=middle>) work out in this manner.


You're right to be skeptical; the HIT article was pretty much a re-hash of all the junk-science, more than a review of what works, and why.
Also remember most football players retire before age 35 due to stress-injuries, while Personal trainers think "lactate threshold" refers to how much steroids they can take before they start producing milk.

What are you talking about Dan?

The routine you've listed is HIT training.
HIT training doesn't have to be Mike Mentzer style 1 set training.

But you agree that football players are over trained and personal trainers are full of ****?

The article is a basic introduction to HIT.

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Edited by - fingerormoon? on February 20 2003 23:47:24