Should sacrifice throws be used on the street?
Are some ok to use and others not so good?
Have you ever used a sacrifice throw on the str33t? I haven’t.
Have you used any throw on the street? I did once.
As long as it lands you in side control or mount, I don't see why you wouldn't want to use it on the street.
*Disclaimer: Not a judoka.
James Bond used to do this tomoe nage very now and than in the older movies.
So it must work.
Seriously - depends on the surface, make sure you don't bump your head.
The proper answer has to be : " it depends"
ive used standard hip toss, body lock and the normal head and arm.
i have no idea what those judo terms are but ive used osoto gari before or so i was told
being on bottom in the str33t is not good!
In my opinion it depends on how much control of the person you think you have. If it doesnt go smoothly your going to get some hurting alright. :5headache
I was thinking that when I start training again that I would drop all sacrifice throws from my repertoire. Since I have just the one sacrifice throw that I can do reasonably well it means only dropping one throw, but I won’t bother to practice new ones.
What do you all think?
You're going to drop a whole category of throws because you don't feel confident in doing them well? I thought one usually practices these kinds of things more.
Personally I view sacrifice throws as something you can do when you've already lost balance or position, etc. (or the guy is ridiculously open for it).
They are called sacrifice throws because you are genuinely giving something up (or have lost it, like he has off-balanced you) and then turning it to your advantage. Think of it less of a risk than backup plan of sorts.
Also, at least from one perspective, tomoe nage is not a nice plant-the-foot-and-roll-him-over. Your falling momentum should pull him down and over as you *stomp kick* him in the gut/groin/etc. He is dropping into a strong kick meant to inflict damage more than move him... and since you aren't actually pushing him over, it can turn into a much more awkard landing on the head/shoulders, especially if you guide the fall with your hand grip.
In any case, if you are doing your sacrifice throws correctly the opponent shouldn't be able to land in a mount. If they have that much stability, I think you are missing something before the throw happens.
Spunky is correct. But I would probably use them more as a last resort. Ie im going down so I'll take him down with me.
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I never have, but I'm sure they'll work in certain situations. I'm sure tani otoshi and tomoenage can work pretty good if you wanted to get someone on the ground. My tomoenage is pretty good as I can launch most guys I train with so maybe if I was fighting somebody on the roof of a building I could tomoenage them over the edge. I wouldn't worry about pavement and hard surfaces too much because you're not really slamming yourself down when you're making the sacrafice throw, just giving up your balance. A well executed throw, sacrifice or non-sacrifice, can knock the wind out of someone and stun them long enough for you to do what you want to do. But really, on "the street", who knows? I don't really give it much thought. Why not kick him in the balls or punch him in the nose?
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and I definitely would NOT lose them from my repetoire, sometimes the opportunity just presents itself, especially in MMA
Tani Otoshi is low risk sacrifice that usuall leaves you in good position. Plus it can be hit from anywhere. I do a sacrifice sukui nage that I am pretty happy with. Unless there are actual spikes on the ground or lava (as is so very common) most sacrifice throws are fine. It's your position after you land that is most important.
My suggestion is practice your sacrifice falls and break falls on concrete and see if you still want to use them or not.
Just remember if the guy is really hurt you have to stick around till the ambulance and police arrives. Be ready to answer alot of questions and give good justification for the amount of force used.
I would say that unless you're confident that you can take anyone down without regard for their skill, then go for it. If you aren't supremely confident in your ability, don't try this sort of thing. I'd give the same advice about pulling guard in a street fight.
you never want to end up on the ground if possible, therefore you shouldn't plan on using sacrifice throws or "drop" throws all that often. but that being said you should still train them for several reasons. they are good backups if you lose your balance, they are good counters to being thrown in some situations and there may be times that you are willing to give up the advantage of being on your feet so that you can take the other guy down. learning them won't hurt you and may help you where as not learning them someday may hurt you.
I would use Uki waza, Sumi Gaeshi, Yoko wakare and Tawara Gaeshi. My favorite is Sumi gaeshi.
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