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Stick
10/17/2004 4:06am,
Sorry if this gif isn't good enough.... the 500k limit makes baby jesus cry.

So, this is a nifty little hip lock counter to the triangle that some buddies discovered while rolling the other day. I had my camera on hand and did a short video of it; I figured they shared it with me and I'll do the same with you.

Starting from your opponent's guard, naturally, you find yourself getting put into a triangle.... oh no! Well, break it. If you don't know how; the leg that is rested against the side of your head and rested across your back and shoulder, grab it firmly with both hands, look up (if you can, sit up straight), and jerk it off.

Once the triangle is open- hell for that matter you may be able to get to this without having him slap it on all the way, quite likely really- take that same leg that is by your head and shift it over to the other side. At this point, only one arm should be in between his legs anymore- in the video its my right arm- keep that hand tight on his hip so he can't get away from you too easily. Rest your head against the side or back of his knee, reach up with your free arm, grab the ankle and pull it down across the back of your head; you should have his leg bent at a good 90 degrees or so. Now, keep his hip planted with your right hand and his leg bent across the back of your head, simply move as though you were going towards side control and take your head to his hip or torso- boom, he gets all tapsy.

Hope this makes sense and works out for you.

TaeBo_Master
10/17/2004 5:52am,
Looks like something that could catch someone by surprise, but not a really high percentage move.

Te No Kage!
10/17/2004 10:46am,
don't think that will be legal in Judo but I might try it anyways just to see if it works, looks pretty cool. The only problem I see is that you have to get your head moved before he gets his feet hooked together. When I do the triangle I get my feet hooked together pretty early.

Xango
10/17/2004 11:21am,
That's some sort of half-Boston Crab from guard? Interesting...

looks like the counter would be to hook your free foot inside their leg and push out to counter the twisting, while grabbing the hand that's in the guard by the sleeve, then hipscoot into a straight armbar.

Stick
10/17/2004 3:12pm,
Yeah Xango, that's kind of what I feltwas open when we practiced this.

And no, this would not be legal in judo, you're not allowed to do anything with the legs. As I said though, just because they're legs are closed doesn't mean you can't open them back up ^_^

MaverickZ
10/17/2004 4:47pm,
i'm sure i'm missing something, but it looks like you're putting your head between his calf and hamstring. i've been show several chokes from just that position. it seems a bit dangerous.

Stick
10/17/2004 5:28pm,
Perhaps there'd be a choke if your head was between his legs, but I really felt no danger of choking whatsoever when I did this move. Maybe it would be clearer if I sent you the unedited video (slower, larger).

MaverickZ
10/17/2004 6:01pm,
that'd be cool, i'm always looking for new techs. you can AIM it to me, or whatever is easier for you

Deadpan Scientist
10/17/2004 6:03pm,
Why does he not just push you with his other foot?

JohnnyS
10/17/2004 6:11pm,
I think you had better watch out for the omoplata. You're leaving your right arm in between his legs which is a perfect set-up for the omoplata. Even if he didn't get it, if he went for it as soon as you pull one arm out, then it will change the angle and you won't be able to hook his leg with your arm.

Also, like brandeissansoo said, he could just put his left foot in your hip and either stretch you out, do omoplata, or pull his right leg free.

I'm not saying it won't work but it's not exactly a high percentage move, especially against another good grappler. Although, sometimes you can catch people with things if they haven't seen it before.

Crapfestival
10/17/2004 6:20pm,
Forget about the low percentage hiplock and just pass.

Stick
10/17/2004 6:40pm,
I had my hand on his belt at the hip that I'm locking and my elbow tight against the insdie of his opposite thigh, to keep his leg from pushing mine out. Also, to crank it I come out to the side of the leg I'm attacking which takes my leg further away from his "free" one and the threat of being flattened out and swept..

Granted, the triangle is a great way to setup omoplata, once you have the leg locked up against the back of your head I see no omoplata, and I love omo plata, if it was there I'd have noticed. Even if they get their leg free- the one you were moving to lock- Omo shouldn't be an option, you should slide quite snuggly into side control, just with your forearm between their legs.

But yes, pass, this is just one of those tricksy things.

Crapfestival
10/17/2004 6:45pm,
I think against most anyone, the second you start to pass your head to the other side, they are getting their hips away and turning their knee into you. I love the sneaky tricks, but thats one even I wouldnt bother trying.


What belt is orange?

Stick
10/17/2004 6:48pm,
Orange? I'm sorry, what witht eh color blindness I don't know what mine is, coach just bought us belts to keep our gis closed....

Bizzaro Root
10/17/2004 6:55pm,
Orange? I'm sorry, what witht eh color blindness I don't know what mine is, coach just bought us belts to keep our gis closed....


lol my first day of BJJ im putting on my brand new gi, and i ask my instructor for a belt. he's like "what color do you want", i said "uhhh uhummm ........white". and bam i was a white belt, but i always wondered what he would have said had i asked for like say a brown or black.

and if i remember orange is for the under 16 belt group orange being the first.

Crapfestival
10/17/2004 6:59pm,
I place little importance on belt color anyways, I dont even wear a belt... I was just looking at the hiplock again and noticed the orange. Didnt make sense.